Premades Don’t Break Frontline — They Broke the Illusion of the Horde Stampede

[Divinemights]

The title of this thread is pure fiction. The premades on NA with the highest win-rates employ a well-known guide, a central feature of which is a marker that everyone is instructed to follow. In that sense, premades are the source of the horde stampede.

I have to disagree with your approach of linking premades directly to the creation of the "Horde Stampede" phenomenon.
At the time, NA players (EU doesn't exist yet) were still using the same general approach as Japanese groups.
8-man premades already existed back then, but the Horde Stampede playstyle hadn't yet taken root in NA.

In my view, that particular style only began to take shape after the PvP community was locked into Onsal Hakair for three straight months.
That environment encouraged and reinforced the behavior we now recognize as Horde Stampede.
That said, I do give you credit for how you've presented your argument.
At this point, the relationship between premades and the Horde Stampede playstyle has become a chicken-and-egg dilemma — and it’s difficult to fully untangle one from the other.

[Mawlzy]

I have to disagree with your approach of linking premades directly to the creation of the "Horde Stampede" phenomenon.
At the time, NA players (EU doesn't exist yet) were still using the same general approach as Japanese groups.
8-man premades already existed back then, but the Horde Stampede playstyle hadn't yet taken root in NA.

In my view, that particular style only began to take shape after the PvP community was locked into Onsal Hakair for three straight months.
That environment encouraged and reinforced the behavior we now recognize as Horde Stampede.
That said, I do give you credit for how you've presented your argument.
At this point, the relationship between premades and the Horde Stampede playstyle has become a chicken-and-egg dilemma — and it’s difficult to fully untangle one from the other.

As mentioned in my discussion with Atreus, I missed the early history of this evolution and that doubtless colors my view.