@Casuals , do you think the message has gotten through?

[Router]

Only four bites so far (mine including) is not very impressive. But I'm sure if you continue practicing, you will finally become a forum troll worthy of the name. Keep going!

I wish people would just ignore the obvious trolls posting on alt accounts. It's laughable when someone LARPs as a proud raider but simultaneously hides all their achievements (if they have any to begin with). If they actually believed in any of the shit they said then they'd post on their main character.

[Ankhira]

Call me a troll all you want but you casuals are insane!

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

Whatever it is you crazy people want isnt real!

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

I think you’re missing the point of what makes FFXIV so beloved. While yes, MMOs can thrive on high-end content, FFXIV thrives because it embraced both challenging content and chill content. Not everyone logs in to chase savage/unreal clears or parse. Some people play to unwind, enjoy the story, craft, socialize... I could go on but the point is, that is still effort. It’s just not the kind you define as valid. Gatekeeping enjoyment doesn’t make the game stronger it just makes the community smaller. If people are unhappy with the state of the game, it’s worth listening instead of dismissing them as "insane." Everyone plays differently, and that is what keeps MMOs alive. Not just the hardcore players. WoW has learned this lesson by now, there's challenging content but there's plenty for casuals to dive into as well as challenging content they can tackle solo.

[Gwenkatsu]

Call me a troll all you want but you casuals are insane!

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

Whatever it is you crazy people want isnt real!

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

Ah, this time you've gotten me. Yes, I want it all, every little bit in the game, sent to me in my mailbox the next time I log in. No wait, that would require me to walk to a mailbox - I don't engage in such hardcore activities as walking around in game, and who even knows where the next mailbox might be located? I want all that stuff registered to my account, ASAP. And I will continue to pay this game for being mediocre until I finally get what I want! That'll teach the likes of you!

Man, it feels so good to be evil.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

Oh, and also: citation needed.

[Valence]

Call me a troll all you want but you casuals are insane!

You want content that doesn't require any effort whatsoever, is "engaging", requires no time commitment, no study, and has good rewards.

Whatever it is you crazy people want isnt real!

I'm also so sick of hearing "This is game!" Or I play to "relax and have fun!" Video games and MMO's in general are built around challenging the player. You don't boot up a Mario game and expect to be taken to the last level because you can't make the jumps in level one.

If you want a relaxed social sim with no gameplay, no effort and to have fun well second life and stardew Valley are right there.

MMO's thrive on high end content its how the genre works

MMOs should all drop their pretense at casual content (that they are all doing), and instead fully embrace kaizo mario.

[Chasingstars]

MMOs should all drop their pretense at casual content (that they are all doing), and instead fully embrace kaizo mario.

Crafting? Kaizo. Gathering? Kaizo. Repairing gear? Kaizo.

Everything must be savage difficult, even getting something from the mailbox.

[MetaBoi]

Crafting? Kaizo. Gathering? Kaizo. Repairing gear? Kaizo.

For crafting every action now has a chance to break the gear, for gathering if you gather too much, you're forced to fight a spirit in a solo (with your gathering gear) if you lose the instance all of your collected items are gone. You can only repair gear with dark matter. How do you get dark matter? By clearing an ultimate of course!

I do raid and I love raiding but there is a huge difference between "I want to do some content that are easy and repeatable for my reward." and "I want to get rewards for existing." Fate's in OC are quite decent assuming they're no zerg rushed. Why can't the normal overworld Fates can be like those? Or Chaotic's mechanics are easy but why are there 2 24-man tower mechanics right after a mechanic that is easy to die? The dev team seems to have issues to provide 3-6/10 difficulty content it either goes to 2/10 (Like Brute Abombinator) or starts from 7/10 (Extremes)

[Chasingstars]

For crafting every action now has a chance to break the gear, for gathering if you gather too much, you're forced to fight a spirit in a solo (with your gathering gear) if you lose the instance all of your collected items are gone. You can only repair gear with dark matter. How do you get dark matter? By clearing an ultimate of course!

lol, and materia comes from exploding your own gear.

I do raid and I love raiding but there is a huge difference between "I want to do some content that are easy and repeatable for my reward." and "I want to get rewards for existing." Fate's in OC are quite decent assuming they're no zerg rushed. Why can't the normal overworld Fates can be like those? Or Chaotic's mechanics are easy but why are there 2 24-man tower mechanics right after a mechanic that is easy to die? The dev team seems to have issues to provide 3-6/10 difficulty content it either goes to 2/10 (Like Brute Abombinator) or starts from 7/10 (Extremes)

True, like underkeep was easier than alexandria, but I think that also has to do with the speed of mechanics. Easy fights give you plenty of time to find safe ground when doing it blind or known, harder fights give you little time to find safety when done at all.

[MetaBoi]

lol, and materia comes from exploding your own gear..

Isn't that how it used to be before? I've read somewhere about that.

[Kaurhz]

Isn't that how it used to be before? I've read somewhere about that.

Way back in the day, spiritbonding would break your gear and give you materia, yes. so each time you would spiritbond you had to re-craft everything

Funny enough as well, from what I remember, way back in the day prior to streamlining, to get Grade V materia for crafters and gatherers you had to spiritbond Carbonweave (2* i170) or above, since the materia was classified as i160, and not i150, so you couldn't get it with the baseline set

[miraidensetsu]

Well, I understood that there is nothing for me.

I'm not a raider (and I don't wish to have to deal with those sweaty tryhard people who likes to use those anti-tos tools to judge me).

And considering that I don't exist for S-E if I'm not such a sweaty tryhard and no matter what I say or do is useless, maybe going back to Ragnarok Online is the best thing I can do for now. At least, Priest/High Priest/Arch Bishop is being more interesting than White Mage, Scholar, Astrologian or Sage. Even considering that Gravity made the inoffensive healer approach (besides they're moving away from it, and Priest mains "Adoramus" that).