Time to kill off FF14 and start a new FF MMO

[Volgia]

I'm just an old soul, but I remember the many threads of people asking when WoW2 would come after Cataclysm. And to this day that game is still relevant.

I don't think Square will risk another MMO after the 1.0 disaster.

[KillaKilala]

There won't be a new FF MMO for at least next 20 years. And we can still fix this game, I'm gonna make a thread about this soon. Stop yapping and go play Jade Dynasty, tencent spy.

[CNitsah]

I think that's the worst idea ever.

You don't replace a game that reached the n°2 spot in the genra.

Who would anyone join a new FF MMO?

- The MMO players that have been failed so many time by XIV? Do you really think they will believe that suddenly SE can do a MMO? And let's not talk about the "so that's why XIV has been shit for years, it's only goal was to suck our money until the new game arrives" discourse that it would create.
- The RP/ERP would have no reason to leave to a new game. Most of their community are linked to 14, and they would have to recreate them from scratch. Especially the second category that would probably feel like it's less possible than ever than SE says something about mods since it's not THE FF mmo everyone has their eyes on.
- the casual would probably give it a try, but paying 2 mmo subs... I feel they would check the new one for a few month an would go back to the one they are used too. Especially since content at launch in a mmo is known to be very limited.

FFXI could be replaced because it's stayed a niche mmo, but XIV broke the "everyone has tried it" wall. You don't replace that, the risk are too high. Why do you think Blizzard never tried to replace WoW. That said they tried to relaunch Overwatch with Overwatch 2, with minimal success that ended hurting the first one, while the second one not doing as good as the first one. I can see the same thing happening with a new FF MMO, people trying the new one, but not staying for any reason, while still leaving XIV, because no effort has been invested anyway, and now that the new one is out, they will do even less effort.

FFXIV has to be in a good place and the new one having different enough proposition so both can coexist to work out. We're not there at all.

[Carin-Eri]

Having the game free to play would not help, I remember when Swtor went free to play and well that did more damage than good for it

Totally agree.

I played STO (Star Trek Online) for twelve years - granted STO only lasted slightly over a year as a subscription-based MMO before it went F2P, but much as you describe happened with SWTOR, the F2P model, whilst initially quite successful, resulted in a gradual deterioration of the game's quality, apathy from the Devs, and fostered an over-reliance on selling gambleboxes and stupidly priced p2W bundles that persists to this day.

The decline in the game's quality atop the dependance on gambleboxes and pointless FOMO events was one of the reasons I turned my back on it in favor of FFXIV nearly four years ago.

[Volkien]

What you're asking for is a fairy tale, especially with the idea that it's f2p from the get go

- a new director & producer: Perhaps I'm a little out of the loop, but why do you want this specifically?

- all races can wear hats: I agree with this, this should just be standard

- Playable on mobile, ps, xbox, pc, mac, steam and switch2: I can see why you would want this, but one of the biggest issues with XIV is that everything needs to be designed with the consoles in mind, which many people claim holds back it's potential

- Jobs with identity: You're going to have to be a bit more specific with this. Not that I'm disgreeing with you, but it's very easy to say that all jobs should be vastly different from on another. It's another thing entirely to implement that, whilst maintaining game balance. This isn't an easy thing to do

- high tier raids that rewards real player skill: You mean like Ultimates? Because we have those

- glam system and housing like WOW: Can't complain about this, their system is objectively better

- adoption of third party plug-ins: What so everybody can cheat? What about your "rewarding player skill" point you mentioned above? How are we going to determine which player has "real skill" and which one has the best cheats installed? Also this doesn't work on multi-platforms like consoles. Which is another point you brought up.

- make the game free to play with cash shop for nice-to-haves like fantasia, glam and emotes: MMO's of this scale literally cannot function on a F2P model. You're asking for a TONNE of expensive features, where's the money gonna come from? This isn't a gacha game.

- free to transfer between servers which will be mainly chat rooms and make all dungeons instanced: Again, you're asking for an extremely expensive game, to make a bunch of features free. Where is all the money coming from? Not that I think it's a bad idea, I like the idea of moving around freely, but we need to think realistically. Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but aren't all dungeons already instanced?

- development system where every registered player can place votes on what they want in future release, with votes allocated based on dollar spent: It's a sound idea, I know OSRS has a similar system that works really well, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this to be honest.

- old content are regularly trimmed with new releases so as to prevent content bloat: So you want them to constantly, and consistently release new content, WHILST AT THE SAME TIME semi-consistently update stuff like Eureka and Bozja? Again, money. This is a resource problem. You take members of the development team, and place them elsewhere, thats development actively being taken away from new content. Hire more team members to specifically design old content? Those new employees need to be paid. MONEY. MONEY. MONEY. In a F2P MMO????? It's NOT happening.

[Merrigan]

Please, tell me this is a troll ?

"all races can wear hats" > Who cares? Really, it's a minor problem, and while I understand that it may annoy some people, it's impossible to designate it as an "essential" feature. Edit: I'm not saying that people who demand this are jerks, just that placing this idea as “essential” doesn't make sense.

"playable on mobile, ps, xbox, pc, mac, steam and switch2" > No. Cross-platform is the worst fad ever. The PC remains the queen platform for MMORPGs, and any feature that involves other platforms tends to drag games down. A relatively simple example, which doesn't even touch on gameplays and game mechanics in general: many console gamers are unable to use chat. This is normally unthinkable on an mmorpg.


"adoption of third party plug-ins" > Idem, hard no. Auxiliary tools are tolerated but not permitted. Games that have massively adopted / integrated them have huge problems because of this.

"make the game free to play with cash shop for nice-to-haves like fantasia, glam and emotes" > Excellent idea. After all, there's no example of games where micro-transactions and boutique purchases are correlated with a lack of quality. yes, that's sarcasm.

"development system where every registered player can place votes on what they want in future release, with votes allocated based on dollar spent." > Unpopular opinion: no, it's the worst idea on the whole list. Most players, myself included, have no idea how to develop the game. Being a gamer doesn't imply knowing how the code works, or what's right in the very long term. Wow classic is a good example of this: the developers were right, it was a mediocre idea.

"old content are regularly trimmed with new releases so as to prevent content bloat" > ??? It's... One of the best feature in FFXIV. The fact that the old content is still playable is a challenge in its own right, one that could do with some fine-tuning, but the fact that it has been maintained is commendable.

[AvoSturmfaust]

not a hot take, i think having the game running on consoles & PC is eally holding back its potential, the clunky UI elements that have to work for controllers for example.

Biggest Bullshit i heard here in the Thread, sorry but are you actually knowing what you are talking about?

1. Both Versions have different UIs, nothing literally NOTHING which has to work for "Controller" has a impact on the PC Version, so trying to blame Consoleplayer for it seems like a take from someone really really dumb

2. When someone the Games holds back its clearly not Consoleplayers, dude do you see which astonishing graphic some Consolegames have and still run with good FPS? I guarantee you when someone is holding the Game back then its PC Gamer with the old ass hardware or do you believe that every PC FFXIV Gamer has a High END PC? I guarantee you most of them not.

[AvoSturmfaust]

One Thing for the "Mod on Consoles" a few People here saying this doesnt work on Consoles, but i clearly need to say you are wrong, i recently started to play Elders Scroll Online again and fun fact they added Mod Support for CONSOLES, FULL MOD SUPPORT, Modder can download a tool create the Mod and upload it on the ESO Site or somewhere and i can download it Ingame, the Times that "Mods" are a "dont work on conoles" things are changing, and ESO is not the first game with mod support for consoles.

[Merrigan]

so trying to blame Consoleplayer for it seems like a take from someone really really dumb

And no one's complaining about console gamers. People are pointing out that cross-plateform implies some rather special problems, requiring development time and reflection on class mechanics (you can't do the same thing with a joystick and a mouse/keyboard, the dynamics aren't the same at all). And there have been quite a few examples where this desire to aim ever wider has.... backfired, for the video game concerned.

[AvoSturmfaust]

And no one's complaining about console gamers. People are pointing out that cross-plateform implies some rather special problems, requiring development time and reflection on class mechanics (you can't do the same thing with a joystick and a mouse/keyboard, the dynamics aren't the same at all). And there have been quite a few examples where this desire to aim ever wider has.... backfired, for the video game concerned.

He clearly stated that Consoles holding the Game back which isnt even true at all

And i cant remember one single instance in FFXIV where something like that backfired not one, maybe in different Games but that doesnt matter for FFXIV, so if you talk about Final just give me an example