@Casuals , do you think the message has gotten through?

[Erzaa]

You can literally walk into the instance by putting your cipher in and waiting for your other 45 randos to join. You don't need too much of a special expertise in the game to clear it.

Can I? Then explain to me the body check requirements, the specific Phantom Job requirements, the whole bruhaha over snipers, the rez restrictions, the getting kicked out in less than 5 minutes because some random first mechanic just throws you off the map, and the losing an entire level and having to grind it up again for no discernible reason?

I don't know what world raiders live in, but that's not pickup and go casual content.

Casual content is something you can go in with whomever and limp to the end. Then do better the next time, and the next time even better, until you can do it perfectly.

It's not, this person didn't stand here at the right second, so now everyone's dead, and it's certainly not, I didn't peer into the future to know in advance that I had to stand three steps to the left so I don't die and get booted back into the zone with a lost level.

Even if I agreed that FT is hardcore, it's still only 3 things: Chaotic, FT and Ultimate. You aren't talking about the rest of things they have released: ALL of Occult Crescent. All of Cosmic Exploration. All the hunt marks and fates on DT's overworld, the 3 alliance raids, the 7 expert MSQ dungeons, the Job Quests, Deep Dungeon, Manderville Quests, seasonal events and I can go on and on, the majority of what they release is casual.

MSQ of a patch, Hildy is what? 4 hours worth of content? Then it's DF fodder for 20 minutes a day? Same for AR.
I'm not even sure you can qualify Hunts as content, but whatever. It's like saying, you haven't caught every fish, so what're you complaining about?

Everything else you're mentioning is just niche. Savage Raids, Ultimate Raids, Baldesion Arsenal, Forked Tower, Deep Dungeons, all niche content. There's nothing wrong with it existing, it should exist, but it's never going to be popular to the majority playerbase, nor should it be trying to force itself to be, that's the point.

I'm not going to tell another casual player, well you haven't cleared PotD, so you've got nothing to complain about.

And again, I'm not saying raiders have it easy, but you definitely are having alot more to do than the rest of us. It's been a raid heavy year, between EX, Savage, Ultimate, Chaotic, Forked Tower, and another Ultimate confirmed too. Plus the upcoming EX again, the Unreals. It's all raids, everywhere raids.

Casual and Hardcore content only kind of share extremes and savages and that's it.

They don't share savages. 20% - 30% of your playerbase isn't sharing anything. Savage isn't casual, even when it comes to Unreal or EX, it's a toss up for alot of people if it qualifies as casual or not, but Savage definitely isn't.

The argument of "it's not very engaging" doesn't matter, that's another subject, but they're certainly NOT appealing to hardcore raiders in this game.

Of course it matters. Content for everyone, should be for everyone, everyone should be engaged and having fun. That was the entire point of Field Ops, that's what everyone else who doesn't raid, spent the last year waiting patiently for, barring forum complainers. That's why they had to ban comments live on their live letter when they were getting torn to shreds.

[Valence]

I don't know what world raiders live in, but that's not pickup and go casual content.

Raiders tend to be a little deluded when it comes to what a casual is. They think a casual is that shapeless blob that will consume absolutely everything that's not savage content, and that they're the prime audience for everything. Or that said casual content is one uniform blob that is to be consumed whole in its entirety. Being a casual gamer doesn't mean being wired to enjoy fate farming until you die of boredom, hunt trains, doh/dol content, maps content, deep dungeons, dailies and leveling, housing, roleplay, msq and sidequests and everything in between OR nothing at all. Casuals aren't binary critters.

If anything the real issue that most casual players raise is how poor and thin casual pve has grown in comparison to raiding.

As a raider the time spent between casual pve and savage+ content probably lies around a 10:90 ratio. Now that I've stopped raiding, casual pve went up a little to cover what savage fed me otherwise in gear, but that ain't much.