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  1. #21
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    CNitsah's Avatar
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    A'zalie Nitsah
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    Quote Originally Posted by LinaAkayomi View Post
    Yoshi P didn't say it in-game so it's not a bannable offense
    Damned, I didn't thought of that. Once again they got us on a technicality.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaionKansen View Post
    I hate when they try to use budget as an excuse too, but have you considered just trying out Forked Tower and putting like 10% effort into something for once? The mechanics aren't even complicated
    The classical "You just want everything for free, it's not so hard, you just have to put a little effort into it and it's fairly easy". It's so simple to run there already were 400 runs in 23 days...
    This mentality is also insulting, maybe you should join Yoshi-P. I'm sure you would be delighted.
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  2. #22
    Player Mawlzy's Avatar
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    Jessa Marko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    I feel like if the current forked tower could just be queue'd for, it would be effectively "normal." It's really easy... a lot of people are clearing who don't do savage or ultimates.
    Quote Originally Posted by CNitsah View Post
    It's so simple to run there already were 400 runs in 23 days...
    Uhm. Hmmm.
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  3. #23
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    Lua Navkov
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    After having nothing to grind in Endwalker, the one piece of content aimed at casual players still must appeal to high-end raiders over them. Which isn't working well for Square Enix, since most hardcore players are still unhappy with Forked Tower's entry system, or the Ultimate being pushed to 7.5, and SE announcing it just a month before 7.3.

    I thought the cost issues would be offset by the (much) longer patches. And even if they aren't, Endwalker/Dawntrail were far more profitable to SE than Heavensward/Stormblood. In Stormblood, they managed to release an Ultimate in 4.3, which happened 2 months earlier than 7.3. Stormblood also had Eureka in 4.25. Releasing a normal version of Forked Tower was definitely feasible, unless the company wanted to spend all that extra money elsewhere.
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  4. #24
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Quote Originally Posted by brinn12 View Post
    Ultimate being pushed to 7.5, and SE announcing it just a month before 7.3.
    He said not in 7.3. It will be pushed to 8.1 just like dsr.
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  5. #25
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    Nighthawky Mlmlxix
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    Quote Originally Posted by brinn12 View Post
    After having nothing to grind in Endwalker, the one piece of content aimed at casual players still must appeal to high-end raiders over them. Which isn't working well for Square Enix, since most hardcore players are still unhappy with Forked Tower's entry system, or the Ultimate being pushed to 7.5, and SE announcing it just a month before 7.3.

    I thought the cost issues would be offset by the (much) longer patches. And even if they aren't, Endwalker/Dawntrail were far more profitable to SE than Heavensward/Stormblood. In Stormblood, they managed to release an Ultimate in 4.3, which happened 2 months earlier than 7.3. Stormblood also had Eureka in 4.25. Releasing a normal version of Forked Tower was definitely feasible, unless the company wanted to spend all that extra money elsewhere.
    From my understanding of other players' comments & what I have read that the Forked Tower is basically Savage/Ultimate content. If true, I find that disheartening. The OC should be everyone. There should be a normal version of Forked Tower or something like it to appease those casual & mid-card players, who could just party up or queue into & enjoy the content. Certain zones could be for casual players & have a normal FT-like content, certain zones for the mid-carders & their harder version of FT-like content, and the zones & FT for those ultimate/savage players.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    Uhm. Hmmm.
    the 400 runs in 23 days meme is very outdated. I check yesterday and over 800 paladins have cleared, over 600 sch's and blms (just to name a few jobs).
    it'd be even higher were it not for the obnoxious way they went about entering.

    bit hard to argue it's "too hard" when people dont even raid are clearing it.
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  7. #27
    Player Mawlzy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    the 400 runs in 23 days meme is very outdated. I check yesterday and over 800 paladins have cleared, over 600 sch's and blms (just to name a few jobs).
    it'd be even higher were it not for the obnoxious way they went about entering.

    bit hard to argue it's "too hard" when people dont even raid are clearing it.
    I have no evidence for that. But the fact it suffers from the same issue as CAR - that one player of 48 can cause a wipe - suggests it is hardly at the level of MSQ content.

    Similarly, I doubt the director would feel the need to explain why there was no "normal" version, only a hard one, if the content was not hard.
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  8. #28
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    A'zalie Nitsah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryson View Post
    the 400 runs in 23 days meme is very outdated. I check yesterday and over 800 paladins have cleared, over 600 sch's and blms (just to name a few jobs).
    it'd be even higher were it not for the obnoxious way they went about entering.

    bit hard to argue it's "too hard" when people dont even raid are clearing it.
    that's 2 paladin and 1.5 blm and scholar per run on average. Congratulation, you listed 5 people on average by clear. that leave between 19 and 43 other people to list to have them all. Your argument doesn't invalidate anything. I mean, it's info from yesterday given by Yoshi-P. It's wild to you're trying to deny that. Why would they say there are less runs that there actually is...
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  9. #29
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    most definetly an insult to players, glad he was honest, after i clear savage tier with friends i am unsubbing
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  10. #30
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    Sapphire Heavenchild
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    I don't think that it is Yoshi's fault. And I wonder if the leaders of SE are mad now that he said something about a too short budget. :')
    But that SE is just using FF14 and our attachment to the game to print money is a feeling that I have for a long time now.
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