Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Mawlzy]

It's not difficult at all, but this isn't meant to be a dig the average ffxiv player can barely do Towers so it is pretty much doomed to fail unless they study.

Very good. Let's break that down.

The field content in OC is accessible to the average player.

That field content is used to level jobs in order to enter FT.

The average player lacks the ability to clear FT.

How does one square that? Maybe the field content should be made much more difficult so that we don't have this absurd mismatch?

Or maybe FT should be accessible to the average player? On that basis, it is demonstrably "too difficult."

For a game to survive, it not only needs to provide content for the average player; it also must provide content for the below-average player since they represent 50% of the player base. And yet SE continues to release content that only the top 10% can clear.

[JuicyHeals]

The player has the ability to clear Forked but the average player would have to be willing to go through the motions of required to to clear the content. It's the exact same as chaotic completely pfable but was content that didn't require some upper echelon of players. All the struggles lies in the fact that SE decided that this shouldn't be queueable content for some reason.

Edit: And yes I admit that the casual players that likes to mess around, plays for the story etc This content isn't for them and that does sucks But I imagine that since the next zone won't be till almost a year later Yoshi probably intended for the players to just keep going back into it, until the clear happens.

[Aravell]

This is what makes it particularly egregious, is that this is now the third time something originally marketed toward the broader, more "casual" players, has been "accidentally" made into Extreme/Savage content, and the second time this expansion

Except while OC was marketed to all, FT was specifically mentioned to be a challenging piece of content that will require you to have certain phantom jobs to progress and clear.

The major issue here is that they only mentioned this in the Live Letter, nowhere in game do they mention that this is challenging content, they only tell you in game that clearing is optional, not that it's hard.

[TaleraRistain]

Then the latest case of someone being hauled in by the GM for trying to recruit for FT by using the DRS tab as a placeholder was probably the last straw.

I saw that. That actually seemed like a tenable solution until SE can address things but then when that got shot down I can see why JP just had it.

So... is 'that' the reason they have decided to dedicate the next live letter to OC? Just because JP players are finally unhappy too?
So glad I've decided/been-forced to stop subsiding other players.

It's kind of funny. We have this idea that they only listen to JP but if you go read the JP side, they think SE only listens to overseas and they've found it interesting we're complaining too. I saw a couple Reddit threads with some links about it. I imagine though if they had any entire region, JP or overseas, that was just like "Nah we're not doing it" then that would be something SE couldn't really ignore.

[Supersnow845]

The player has the ability to clear Forked but the average player would have to be willing to go through the motions of required to to clear the content. It's the exact same as chaotic completely pfable but was content that didn't require some upper echelon of players. All the struggles lies in the fact that SE decided that this shouldn't be queueable content for some reason.

Edit: And yes I admit that the casual players that likes to mess around, plays for the story etc This content isn't for them and that does sucks But I imagine that since the next zone won't be till almost a year later Yoshi probably intended for the players to just keep going back into it, until the clear happens.

As said before it’s not hard but it’s not puggable. A massive amount of the burden of these runs falls on the hosts and the callers. If you have a competent host then the amount of effort the average run filler has to actually put in is not particularly high. But if you remove the host and the callers and leave 48 run fillers go self organise the run itself without discord then everything would fall apart in about 2 seconds

[Aravell]

As said before it’s not hard but it’s not puggable. A massive amount of the burden of these runs falls on the hosts and the callers. If you have a competent host then the amount of effort the average run filler has to actually put in is not particularly high. But if you remove the host and the callers and leave 48 run fillers go self organise the run itself without discord then everything would fall apart in about 2 seconds

I think random groups who come together organically are set up to fail by the system itself honestly.

There simply isn't enough time to sort out roles, phantom jobs, team assignments and agree on a strat before the weather ends and the tower entry is gone. Even if you continue the discussion inside the tower, you might time out before even agreeing on what to do.

[JuicyHeals]

I think random groups who come together organically are set up to fail by the system itself honestly.

There simply isn't enough time to sort out roles, phantom jobs, team assignments and agree on a strat before the weather ends and the tower entry is gone. Even if you continue the discussion inside the tower, you might time out before even agreeing on what to do.

I see both of ya points now. Looking back on it the organization and the possibility however low people might not have the jobs required is a bit much.

[Maltothoris]

So according to the live letter we will have the following in patch 7.3 (which is about 50 days from now.)

-48-man parties can queue together.
-you need a cipher to enter it.
- A message saying this is difficult content will be added unless I'm not understanding it.
-You can see the list of people who submitted a cipher before tower goes up.

I mean it's a start but it's hilarious that the reason they went with Forked Tower is that because the support with the entry with DRS was considered powerful and made it too easy so they went back to BA style for for ad-hoc runs.

[DynnDiablos]

So according to the live letter we will have the following in patch 7.3 (which is about 50 days from now.)

-48-man parties can queue together.
-you need a cipher to enter it.
- A message saying this is difficult content will be added unless I'm not understanding it.
-You can see the list of people who submitted a cipher before tower goes up.

I mean it's a start but it's hilarious that the reason they went with Forked Tower is that because the support with the entry with DRS was considered powerful and made it too easy so they went back to BA style for for ad-hoc runs.

So, basically they catered to the discord groups and told the casual/random players they might as well drop dead.

[Themarvin]

I think random groups who come together organically are set up to fail by the system itself honestly.

There simply isn't enough time to sort out roles, phantom jobs, team assignments and agree on a strat before the weather ends and the tower entry is gone. Even if you continue the discussion inside the tower, you might time out before even agreeing on what to do.

And your conclusion with that is?

It is not on the players fault and you should be much more willing to just accept it as it are... this is a SE problem, not a player base problem and SE is going to fix, the only way that can happen is if things keeps on miserably failing and that is the end of story, anything else is making up poorly written excuses, if you ask me that is.