Names for Hrothgar Queens

[Pimsan20]

So we got some new lore of the hrothgar which i'm happy. But what i'm wondering is how an Helion tribe would call her Queen or Queen to be?

Like will she have her last name change like other member of the tribe changing their last name if a new queen is leading the tribe? Or will she have a title or something like that? That is the part i'm confused.

[Cleretic]

Unclear. We only know one to the best of my knowledge, and Queen Gunnhildr is most likely not a representative sample size.

Speculate and headcanon all you want from that, I'm just pointing out the lack of concrete facts here.

[Pimsan20]

Unclear. We only know one to the best of my knowledge, and Queen Gunnhildr is most likely not a representative sample size.

Speculate and headcanon all you want from that, I'm just pointing out the lack of concrete facts here.

I just we got more information about it soon.

[Aedwyn]

Encyclopedia Eorzea II or III had a helpful section about cat naming conventions that touches on this, if I recall. I don't have my copy at hand right now but if no one beats me to it I can give you the excerpt when I get home tomorrow!

[Cleretic]

Encyclopedia Eorzea II or III had a helpful section about cat naming conventions that touches on this, if I recall. I don't have my copy at hand right now but if no one beats me to it I can give you the excerpt when I get home tomorrow!

I checked, it doesn't give any information on the naming of queens whatsoever. 'Queen Mira' is mentioned in the Helion nomenclature section, and deceased queen Branka in the Lost section, but there's no indication that 'Mira' is or isn't a birth name, or even that 'Queen Mira' actually exists.

In this case I'd call absence evidence, though. If there's supposed to be a thing where Hrothgar queens take on new names on becoming queens, why would they not mention it when that would be a pretty big deal from a cultural standpoint? Sure, logically speaking it means the rest of the tribe would take on a new name on getting a new queen, but the queen's name is treated as a given. Why would she change her name? It's her name, and she's the queen.

Picking a new name on taking a leadership role is a pretty rare thing in real life, too; in real life, regnal names (which is the term for this) are less common than you might reflexively think. For the most part when you look at them in history, it's less a traditional thing, and more 'one guy decided to take the name of his predecessor', or 'an allied nation already has a King John II'. The three big exceptions there are the Roman Empire, the Pope, and English monarchy (until fairly recently), which itself explains why an English audience assumes they're more common than they really are.

[SannaR]

The different name thing also happens in Chinese royalty as well. Course Chinese names sort of get weird in general.

[Pimsan20]

Either way, i just hope we can't get more info on how a leader of a hrothgar tribe is called and how a new queen is crowned. Like do they have the title of princess and once she became queen, they lost their last name and become Queen Stolla for example?

[RedLolly]

If Queen Gunnhildr IS the example we should follow, the title was given to the best astrologian of a convent of women specially trained in that, correct? The fact that she was a Roegadyn in a city overwhelmingly populated by Hrothgar was an anomaly, as the queen had always been a Hrothgar to that point just by probability.

So the Bozjan based clan, at least back then, chose a queen based entirely on who was best at a relied upon skill.

[Zero-ELEC]

If Queen Gunnhildr IS the example we should follow, the title was given to the best astrologian of a convent of women specially trained in that, correct? The fact that she was a Roegadyn in a city overwhelmingly populated by Hrothgar was an anomaly, as the queen had always been a Hrothgar to that point just by probability.

So the Bozjan based clan, at least back then, chose a queen based entirely on who was best at a relied upon skill.

Well, there was also the idea that Nevembya was intended as a sacrificial lamb and raised to queen since the then current queen refused to use the Save the Queen, so our only example of "queen chosen as meritocracy" was inherently tainted with political manoeuvring. We are told that it was simply a numbers thing, but we can't be sure since we don't have access to any records of other Queens Gunnhildr.

We also know that Bozja itself was far from a meritocracy, with very stratified society and slums, even before Imperial take over. I just wouldn't trust that the Queens Gunnhildr weren't hrothgar by default due to politics.

[Pimsan20]

Well, there was also the idea that Nevembya was intended as a sacrificial lamb and raised to queen since the then current queen refused to use the Save the Queen, so our only example of "queen chosen as meritocracy" was inherently tainted with political manoeuvring. We are told that it was simply a numbers thing, but we can't be sure since we don't have access to any records of other Queens Gunnhildr.

We also know that Bozja itself was far from a meritocracy, with very stratified society and slums, even before Imperial take over. I just wouldn't trust that the Queens Gunnhildr weren't hrothgar by default due to politics.

Yea, and i can imagine many hrothgars leaving Bozja after it the incident 15 years ago.