Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Akivar]

Are you saying a third party program should be required to complete this game? If so, what's the difference between that and mods? You are using outside tools to better coordinate. Sounds like you are one step from saying mods should be required to play content. You can do whatever you want in your static content. You can invite and remove anyone you want from your private parties. This is public content, you get no say. Sorry but that was what Square has intended, if you do not like it, yell at Square or don't do it. Violating terms of service by harassing other players and refusing to rez them is not okay. If you did that in roulettes you would be reported. This content is public content just like roulettes. Follow the rules.

[Supersnow845]

Are you saying a third party program should be required to complete this game? If so, what's the difference between that and mods? You are using outside tools to better coordinate. Sounds like you are one step from saying mods should be required to play content. You can do whatever you want in your static content. You can invite and remove anyone you want from your private parties. This is public content, you get no say. Sorry but that was what Square has intended, if you do not like it, yell at Square or don't do it. Violating terms of service by harassing other players and refusing to rez them is not okay. If you did that in roulettes you would be reported. This content is public content just like roulettes. Follow the rules.

“Do you think third party programs should be required to complete this”

IDK, ask square. They are the ones who made content that functionally requires discord to make any meaningful progress. You are just arguing from a flawed base here because the discords aren’t preventing public pugging. They are making the content possible for anyone to clear

[Mawlzy]

“Do you think third party programs should be required to complete this”

IDK, ask square. They are the ones who made content that functionally requires discord to make any meaningful progress. You are just arguing from a flawed base here because the discords aren’t preventing public pugging. They are making the content possible for anyone to clear

Given there are limited occurrences of the content, are not Discords preventing public pugging by "reserving" all the time-slots and kicking out interlopers?

I guess it's somewhat academic in the sense a pug group forming organically is pretty unlikely, but FCs might attempt it.

[Supersnow845]

Given there are limited occurrences of the content, are not Discords preventing public pugging by "reserving" all the time-slots and kicking out interlopers?

I guess it's somewhat academic in the sense a pug group forming organically is pretty unlikely, but FCs might attempt it.

On an average peak hour day there can be up to 15 OC instances open at the same time, more if you count other DC’s

Even the most prolific discords rarely run more than maybe 5 runs concurrently

[Mawlzy]

On an average peak hour day there can be up to 15 OC instances open at the same time, more if you count other DC’s

Even the most prolific discords rarely run more than maybe 5 runs concurrently

Wow. Didn't occur to me there were so many people engaging with it. Oh well, that'll keep SE happy to the point they'll likely do it all again in 8.X.

Also might explain why FL queues have gotten so long on Aether.

[Jeeqbit]

Given there are limited occurrences of the content, are not Discords preventing public pugging by "reserving" all the time-slots and kicking out interlopers?

Most of the time, you're not likely to see discord runs in an instance you're in. And it's likely only going to be at peak hours.

I guess it's somewhat academic in the sense a pug group forming organically is pretty unlikely, but FCs might attempt it.

That could be possible for sure. I've been in FCs that have done complete Alliance Raid runs on release as an FC, for example. But then of course we circle back to how most FCs have a discord server and then suddenly it's a villain too.

[Mawlzy]

Most of the time, you're not likely to see discord runs in an instance you're in. And it's likely only going to be at peak hours.
That could be possible for sure. I've been in FCs that have done complete Alliance Raid runs on release as an FC, for example. But then of course we circle back to how most FCs have a discord server and then suddenly it's a villain too.

I think that primarily illustrates the inadequacies of in-game comm options.

[enthauptet]

Are you saying a third party program should be required to complete this game? If so, what's the difference between that and mods? You are using outside tools to better coordinate.

Xbox and Playstation already use voice chat for other games (I used it in destiny through psn literally 10+ years ago) and also have discord so you can't compare it to mods.

These discords are no stranger to randoms due to BA, and some of them do welcome them in, despite that they may be taking a spot from someone who planned their role in the raid. It's less likely they are taking someone's spot when it's old because they won't always have 48 players signed up, but FT is new, so.
This is true as well but I think it stems from anxiety. Anxiety leads to not engaging with the raids or discords and that is sometimes expressed as "us versus them". When if they actually joined the raids and discords they'd find plenty of nice and chill people.

How I know this is because I struggle with anxiety myself in this area but have still managed some of the raids.

I've had some randoms join my group, they didn't join voice chat when invited but they also were farther than us and just wanted to do it. We did not have 48 players either so everyone was able to go in. (the queuing or lack thereof of this content is really ridiculous imo)

Also you don't even have to talk on voice chat, I've never once said a single thing in voice chat in my entire time playing ff14.

What if they wanted to try it blind? you don't HAVE to play the game reading guides, watching vids etc that's not a requirement. If you aren't even aware of what the content involves because you are new to it how is this fair? Like I said to Nec earlier courtesy is given to you guys when you're new but you can't repay the favour to other newbies? how is that fair, courteous or sociable? It's not.

I actually do a lot of stuff blind on release BUT we specifically create groups to do content blind. It is annoying when people come in and start placing markers and stuff, we leave and blacklist them which is kind of hard to do in OC though.