Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Maltothoris]

For me, it's this content overall, require consistency and the ffxiv pug is consistently inconsistent. It would be too much coordination to do on the spot when you enter the FT. For example who is alliance 1? Who is alliance B? Who is Alliance C? etc etc.

Then you have then phantom jobs. Who are going to be your time mages? WHo are your knights? Chemists, Bards, Rangers, Thieves, Geos, etc etc for the required jobs and making sure you have back ups for them in case something unexpected or they lose lives?

Do they know all the nuances about the fights? Do you have the personal responsibility to count? (If it's anything that Ivalice Lighthouse has taught me, it's that it not consistent even with the bonuses.)

Do you have an interrupt order for the lockwards to get all that extra sanguine?

Forked Tower has way too many variables for it be reliably cleared by pugs and to try and do it 100 times for the achievement? Is it any surprise people defaulted to discord?

[Jeeqbit]

I hate to break it to you discord people. But the content doesn't belong to just you.

Nobody is saying it belongs to "discord people". So go ahead and try to PUG it. Nobody is stopping you. After you try it, you will quickly discover why people choose to use Discord for it. There is literally no other way to avoid wiping, and acting like there is, is disingenuous.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

As for leaving people on the floor. That's not OK either, and I would have 'assumed' you knew that. I think you do actually, but you are going to try and gently persuasively propaganda to the contrary.

Killing them sure, that's not cool, but as far raising or healing them, there's no rules for that. Same way you don't have to heal and raise everyone in a zone. As for entering F'd up tower it's a ridiculous system and on top of that mechanics that's more in line with savage/extremes coordination.

[Annabellechu]

Killing them sure, that's not cool, but as far raising or healing them, there's no rules for that. Same way you don't have to heal and raise everyone in a zone. As for entering F'd up tower it's a ridiculous system and on top of that mechanics that's more in line with savage/extremes coordination.

While there is no rule for that, it's shitty behavior. Obviously can't be reportable / enforcable since they'd have to report every single healers / chemists.

My take on this entire thread.
FT queuing system bad and that's entirely SE's fault
Intentional snipers = Shit thing to do but also not against TOS
Unintentional snipers = Sucks to be them and sucks to be that FT group

[Breezelyn]

As someone who did BA, how SE handled the FT raid is beyond ridiculous. They should have did a normal mode like with DR for story progression, while having a FT Savage version for more challenge/rewards. The instances capped at 72 do NOT help with trying to coordinate the runs either. Should have been at LEAST a cap of 144..

I have no issue people wanting to do FT. You're welcomed to join, but there's a level of personal responsibility involved. You need to be personally prepared as it's not as easy as it sounds. There are a lot of things to know. If you screw up once or twice? You can screw up the entire raid and waste everyone's time that organized everything. Of course people will get mad at randoms. The average, random player will not be prepared or have the necessary things leveled to pull their weight. The average player will not care and blame everyone else for screwing up everything for the rest of the raid.

Yes, it's open to everyone, but I want to see people organize everything on the fly in that case. The entire raid will collapse/fail before progressing far. I know this when BA was fresh and people not part of the alliance raid groups, who have prepared for days/weeks, screw everyone up because they didn't pull their weight..blamed everyone else. Wasted people's time, sub money, and possibly taking off work to tackle the content. Same thing I see happening here.

While what the person said is not okay, they do have a point. You need an organized group for FT and that's just a cold, hard fact. Randoms joining can screw up everyone's time and effort who already did put in the work to learn about what's needed for FT. Don't get mad about it. Blame SE for not making a story version when they should have.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

While there is no rule for that, it's shitty behavior. Obviously can't be reportable / enforcable since they'd have to report every single healers / chemists.

My take on this entire thread.
FT queuing system bad and that's entirely SE's fault
Intentional snipers = Shit thing to do but also not against TOS
Unintentional snipers = Sucks to be them and sucks to be that FT group

In an ideal situation the party should've just invited them, added them into voice chat and not killed them (that's what we did with a sniper). If they refused and died to mechanics then the party has every right to leave them dead as they are now a liability.

[ServerCollaps]

the risk of randoms sabotaging your run (unintentionally or not) is way too high, to ress them. Have one of them stroll into a big trap and half of the raid is dead

if they dont know how to play certain boss mechs, they can also wipe out entire groups or the full raid

[Atreus]

In an ideal situation the party should've just invited them, added them into voice chat and not killed them (that's what we did with a sniper). If they refused and died to mechanics then the party has every right to leave them dead as they are now a liability.

100%, but based on the responses on this thread, people want to barge their way into organized efforts and not be involved in the organized aspect of it, as if this is somehow punishing SquareEnix and not the players trying to get through it.

[Akivar]

Are you saying a third party program should be required to complete this game? If so, what's the difference between that and mods? You are using outside tools to better coordinate. Sounds like you are one step from saying mods should be required to play content. You can do whatever you want in your static content. You can invite and remove anyone you want from your private parties. This is public content, you get no say. Sorry but that was what Square has intended, if you do not like it, yell at Square or don't do it. Violating terms of service by harassing other players and refusing to rez them is not okay. If you did that in roulettes you would be reported. This content is public content just like roulettes. Follow the rules.

[0blivion]

L take. Third party programs, in this context, are programs that actually interact with the game client in some way, be it reading info or displaying info. Discord? Discord is communication. It could be literally anything else. Skype, ZOOM, TeamSpeak, you name it. Hell, even Mumble. Comparing mods to using communication channels that are suited to the difficulty level in terms of coordination is disingenuous. There is no ToS violation in not resurrecting someone who is not in your party, especially not one who nearly killed everyone on hallways, and especially not one who ran into a TB because they couldn't be bothered to use their brain for one second.

In roulettes, you may get randoms who are garbage at the game. But: they are in your party, and therefore your responsibility. They also didn't maliciously and willfully steal your 4th or 8th party member's spot.

The people here? Leeches trying their damndest to dig their heels in and whine about how SE made them into antisocial griefers who have no respect for the time and effort invested by the people organizing these runs.