Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[DoubleJustice]

This post is blatantly a bad faith attempt at painting the discords as evil spiteful content mongering overlords.

Multiple people have already pointed it out, but that boss's tank buster isn't something that a tank could use to target snipe one individual without cleaving half the party. They have claims of people being rude, but the only screenshot they provide is people asking them not to join.

Whatever your stance on sniping/discords/entitlement whatever. It's obvious this person is an actual literal troll whose goal was to be a problem, either by griefing the raid or later by coming to forums and making a "whole hearted appeal about respecting each other's right to public content DX."

Like they very obviously targeted a streamer intentionally, called them out BY NAME, and then wrote in a passive victim voice, while twisting as much of the story to cater to false preconceptions of people who haven't studied nor step foot into the content.

Shame on you OP.

[Andevom]

Because they were sniping. But that decision could have changed if the individuals decided to collaborate and demonstrate that they were able to carry out their role in the raid without running around aimlessly.

It doesn't seem like they were ever given an offer to collaborate - they were flat out told "you can be here if you want, but we're not treating you as members of our team".

Had they said something to the effect of "Hey, would you like to join our VC for callouts? This raid requires a lot of coordination." and were ignored, that'd be another thing.

I don't think either party handled this particularly well.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

You're missing the point. I am saying that limited revive is a calling card SE leaves when they intend it to be a high-end duty: BA, DRS, Criterion Savage

SE did not specifically clarify whether it's a high-end duty, so this is a sign we can use to understand SE's intention.

It's biased only insofar as they are the person involved in the incident. It's impossible for them to change that fact, so it's not really fair to bring it up.
That's not a contradiction. Rinon asked them not to snipe. They decided to snipe. What's done is done; it cannot be changed. So now they didn't try to collaborate with their "team" in what is literally "team" content.
Obviously. Because they were sniping. But that decision could have changed if the individuals decided to collaborate and demonstrate that they were able to carry out their role in the raid without running around aimlessly.

Anyway, you're barking at the wrong person there. SE is to blame for repeating their BA mistake after promising not to.

They are going to dedicate half the broadcast to Cosmic and Occult feedback. Based on 6.3 Part 1 (Part 1) duration, that would be 1 hour and 20 minutes.

I mean sure but it also reveals the incredible underlying toxicity of some of the no life HC community when they are defending content and behavior that excludes 90% of the playerbase. You give them the benefit of the doubt that they where running around 'aimlessly' and that decisions wheren't made to kill them and not raise them from the get go, I do not and I have heard some of the VCS.

[Atreus]

Firstly, the OP did not post screenshots of "insults" and "harassments" because they do not exist. They did not happen. Before the run, when it was clear there were two players sniping, I politely asked if they'd be willing to not do so, and if they wanted to anyway, that's fine, it's their right, but we will treat them as solo players. Once they got into the run and two players who had been waiting had to spectate, they did not reply to our message, nor show any indication of interest in joining us or recieving callouts. They remained mute, and ignored us. Again, fine - we left them to their own devices.

They claim that they were "intentionally killed by a tank buster" in the second boss. So for those who haven't done the encounter, let me explain how that tank buster works. There are 3 bosses, and 3 large cleaves - these are to be aimed outwards, and the group would stack on the inside to give them space. When the tank buster went off, the OP is standing on the outside of the boss, and got hit by the cleave. It was their own fault. As an aside, OP was on tank - they would have been fine standing in front of the boss for that cleave, had they popped a cooldown.

The OP's friend died to the next mechanic - one where you must cleanse your own color debuffs by standing in specific positions. They failed the mechanic and died. Both their deaths are due to their own mechanical failures.

We did not raise them, and I do not feel bad for not doing so. They showed no inclination to join the run and participate in any way, and they had no idea how to deal with the second boss' mechanics. The Bridge encounter, which directly follows, is very easy to wipe if players aren't extremely careful of trap placements and positioning. We had already experienced a near miss after the first boss where the OP nearly killed a number us to running through trap infested zone. We did not trust them.

Whatever your personal feelings are on whether the Forked Tower is equivalent to Duty Finder content or not is irrelevent. The fact remains that in the vast majority of cases, BA, DRS and FT are cleared by pre-mades with callout assistance. These players were not harassed, bullied and insulted - they joined a collaborative run, decided to not collaborate, died on their own and decided to play the victim because they saw that I was a content creator. I was not streaming this run, after politely requesting they not snipe beforehand I said nothing to them and didn't interact with them, and yet I am mentioned by name as an attempt to garner sympathy.

You are not victims to some big mean organised run attempting to ruin your day. You just didn't like the way an interaction played out, and decided to embellish it to rile up emotion. Good luck in the future.

Called it, literally by the letter.

[Jeeqbit]

It doesn't seem like they were ever given an offer to collaborate - they were flat out told "you can be here if you want, but we're not treating you as members of our team".

Well no, because they had 2 other people that had planned to enter who were actually at the same prog point and probably had the raid roles assigned to them already.

But once it's done they kinda have to collaborate... and so do the individuals trying to snipe a position. If that isn't happening, the safest and most logical thing to do is leave them dead.

As for why they should be allowed to plan to enter ahead of time - it's because it's high-end content as I explained. SE left their high-end calling card on it.

[Mawlzy]

I mean sure but it also reveals the incredible underlying toxicity of some of the no life HC community when they are defending content and behavior that excludes 90% of the playerbase. You give them the benefit of the doubt that they where running around 'aimlessly' and that decisions wheren't made to kill them and not raise them from the get go, I do not and I have heard some of the VCS.

This is the "strategy" advocated by a well-known, bald streamer. I'd put folding money on this being implemented in this specific case.

[Mawlzy]

Well no, because they had 2 other people that had planned to enter who were actually at the same prog point and probably had the raid roles assigned to them already.

But once it's done they kinda have to collaborate... and so do the individuals trying to snipe a position. If that isn't happening, the safest and most logical thing to do is leave them dead.

As for why they should be allowed to plan to enter ahead of time - it's because it's high-end content as I explained. SE left their high-end calling card on it.

How is simply trying to enter FFA content "sniping"?

[itachi-otsutsuki]

This post is blatantly a bad faith attempt at painting the discords as evil spiteful content mongering overlords.

Multiple people have already pointed it out, but that boss's tank buster isn't something that a tank could use to target snipe one individual without cleaving half the party. They have claims of people being rude, but the only screenshot they provide is people asking them not to join.

Whatever your stance on sniping/discords/entitlement whatever. It's obvious this person is an actual literal troll whose goal was to be a problem, either by griefing the raid or later by coming to forums and making a "whole hearted appeal about respecting each other's right to public content DX."

Like they very obviously targeted a streamer intentionally, called them out BY NAME, and then wrote in a passive victim voice, while twisting as much of the story to cater to false preconceptions of people who haven't studied nor step foot into the content.

Shame on you OP.

I mean they are actually spiteful gatekeeping snobs though. The strategy of leaving randoms for dead and calling them snipers from the get go is well established in NA. Also go read some of the comments in other threads where people are complaining about FT entry system by these same people literally bragging and posing ultimatums and then tell me about 'shameful' behavior.

[Jeeqbit]

How is simply trying to enter FFA content "sniping"?

Because it's not FFA content. SE left their high-end calling card on it.

But want to do it FFA, go ahead. Nobody is stopping you! Go and enter with 24 randoms and see how far you get. 99% of the time, you won't even see discords trying to go in there - there is plenty of time for you to approach it during the weather and ask 23 others to join you.

And once you wipe immediately you'll probably change your mind about it being "FFA" content.

[Bryson]

How is simply trying to enter FFA content "sniping"?

Would that person have tried to enter if the 48 person premade weren't also going in?
Would they even be able to enter if at least 16 out of the 48 person premade didn't offer up a cipher? No.. they wouldn't.

snipers are free to snipe.. it it's FFA content. Having said that, said sniper shouldn't be surprised that the response inside (especially if the sniper got a spot at the expense of someone else in the premade) isn't going to be some warm welcome. Getting inside is FFA, but they aren't entitled to a party invite.. especially if they joining a run where the other 47 are much further ahead in terms of prog.