Forked Tower is making me quit the game

[Bryson]

I am mad at you too cause you're literally doing the definition of gatekeeping and trolling with that pic of you clearing. 'go through my server or don't prog'. Insane that you can't see that is gatekeeping. This whole fiasco has made me realize how un fucking believably toxic some of you elitists are.

it's not my server?
gatekeeping is the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.

I'm not doing that? how would I even go about preventing someone from joining? any level 20 whose on the platform has a chance (which you can increase by providing a cipher)

what full pug group has cleared FT? hell, what full pug group has cleared the 1st boss?

I don't think you understand the reality of the situation right now regarding FT because you sound very confused.

you getting a little too into your feelings.

also what's this talk about elitism? there are people with FT clears who don't do savage/ults.. the fights themselves are around ex difficulty.

[Colter_Hildibrand]

what full pug group has cleared FT? hell, what full pug group has cleared the 1st boss?

I have not cleared yet, but I have been pugging through PF and clearing bosses. This is absolutely doable with random players. The "discord only" and "premade only" and "static only" mentality is a detriment in its own way. It feels more like stubbornly fighting against the way the content was designed, rather than leaning into it.

Also, bonus points for groups going in with less than 48 people. It's easier to get 5 parties in the same instance than 6, DPS checks are lenient enough that 40 people is plenty, and it allows for random players in an instance to join without taking away from someone who came in with a group in advance.

[Gurgeh]

I have not cleared yet, but I have been pugging through PF and clearing bosses. This is absolutely doable with random players. The "discord only" and "premade only" and "static only" mentality is a detriment in its own way. It feels more like stubbornly fighting against the way the content was designed, rather than leaning into it.

Also, bonus points for groups going in with less than 48 people. It's easier to get 5 parties in the same instance than 6, DPS checks are lenient enough that 40 people is plenty, and it allows for random players in an instance to join without taking away from someone who came in with a group in advance.

Its nice to finally hear this from someone.
This was what I wondered.
And that the only problem here, is a huge portion of the player base doesn't get that this content is supposed to be pregressed like the majority of people have to.
Again, and again, and again.
Where there is no entitlement at all to think that just because you've seen mechanic C, and you can do A,B perfectly, that you will get to see C again for another 7 days of trying. You play and you play and you play, and you communicate, and educate, until the playerbase is good enough.
Instead, high end just scared every casual if when casuals should have been queuing on every instance the moment they got 20.
The requirement for queuing wasn't supposed to be " can I clear?", it was just supposed to be "can I queue?"
Then we run in, again and again, and again and again, and...
But no, I've hit my prog point and I'm not going back! (Progliar, progliar)

[Bryson]

I have not cleared yet, but I have been pugging through PF and clearing bosses. This is absolutely doable with random players. The "discord only" and "premade only" and "static only" mentality is a detriment in its own way. It feels more like stubbornly fighting against the way the content was designed, rather than leaning into it.

Also, bonus points for groups going in with less than 48 people. It's easier to get 5 parties in the same instance than 6, DPS checks are lenient enough that 40 people is plenty, and it allows for random players in an instance to join without taking away from someone who came in with a group in advance.

??? how do you pug FT "through pf"
how do you sync with all the other parties when all of you queue for OC to ensure you get in the same instance?

"It feels more like stubbornly fighting against the way the content was designed, rather than leaning into it."
This is extremely funny considering they're going to apologize during the LL. .idk what planet you're on if you unironically think this went according to plan... if it did, they wouldn't feel the need to address community feedback

[Bryson]

No, we are not going to prog that crap in it's current state.

I said the same thing? Premades through discord counter how bad they went about it. I didn't say it should be this way.. I stated a fact. 48 randoms aren't progging this right now.. discord increases the likelihood you can prog and clear.

My hunch is you..
A. Haven't done FT once
B. Refuse to join any discords to prog it.

also who is your "we"??? people are progging it.. just not with randoms. speak for yourself.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

I said the same thing? Premades through discord counter how bad they went about it. I didn't say it should be this way.. I stated a fact. 48 randoms aren't progging this right now.. discord increases the likelihood you can prog and clear.

My hunch is you..
A. Haven't done FT once
B. Refuse to join any discords to prog it.

also who is your "we"??? people are progging it.. just not with randoms. speak for yourself.

You literally just said nothing. We all refuse to jump through those hoops to get access to the content. That is the whole point of the bloody thread. And you can't force us with your gatekeeping.

[Bryson]

You literally just said nothing. We all refuse to jump through those hoops to get access to the content. That is the whole point of the bloody thread. And you can't force us with your gatekeeping.

gatekeeping is - the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.

i'm not doing that. I'm saying, in order to increase the likelihood of progging, join a discord... be it savage, ultimate, and yes FT.

I was given a discord, i joined a hosted run, i progged it until i cleared. I'm not sure what I did, that others can't? just because you refuse to do something.. doesn't mean weren't capable of doing so.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

gatekeeping is - the activity of controlling, and usually limiting, general access to something.

i'm not doing that. I'm saying, in order to increase the likelihood of progging, join a discord... be it savage, ultimate, and yes FT.

I was given a discord, i joined a hosted run, i progged it until i cleared. I'm not sure what I did, that others can't? just because you refuse to do something.. doesn't mean weren't capable of doing so.

It is a protest decision, are you really too slow to get that? The content is fucking awful and failed and needs to be revised. All you're doing is SE bootlicking and yeah you ARE attempting to control- limit access to people who want to enter the raid with your ultimatums. You then walked back with 'increases the likelihood' bs.

Anyway save it. Anyone who wants to use the discords are already using them, you aren't convincing anyone with that passive aggressive messaging you did. And for the record I did TRY to use the discords, but the jank and time wastage is unbelievable and now I refuse to participate in it. Content is dead to me until they do a patch. And I am fine with that.

[Bryson]

It is a protest decision, are you really too slow to get that? The content is fucking awful and failed and needs to be revised. All you're doing is SE bootlicking and yeah you ARE attempting to control- limit access to people who want to enter the raid with your ultimatums. You then walked back with 'increases the likelihood' bs.

Anyway save it. Anyone who wants to use the discords are already using them, you aren't convincing anyone with that passive aggressive messaging you did. And for the record I did TRY to use the discords, but the jank and time wastage is unbelievable and now I refuse to participate in it. Content is dead to me until they do a patch. And I am fine with that.

discord does increse the likelihood? it's not likely to prog with 47 randoms.. how would you possibly organize that when you're inside sense it's not an alliance?

it's not an ultimatum. it's the reality of the situation given the way they went about it.

I can't limit anyone's access.. all you have to do is be lvl 20 and stand on the platform during the weather condition.. ciphers can increase the chance you get picked, but I can't control anyone. we had randoms join before.. I couldn't prevent access. it's open content.

I think you just in your feelings which is fine... i'd be to if i wanted to prog it without using discord at all... you ain't clearing with that "i'm above discord" attitude though.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

discord does increse the likelihood? it's not likely to prog with 47 randoms.. how would you possibly organize that when you're inside sense it's not an alliance?

it's not an ultimatum. it's the reality of the situation given the way they went about it.

I can't limit anyone's access.. all you have to do is stand on the platform during the weather condition.. ciphers can increase the chanceyou get picked, but I can't control anyone. we had randoms join before.. I couldn't prevent access. it's open content.

I think you just in your feelings which is fine... i'd be to if i wanted to prog it without using discord at all... you ain't clearing with that attitude though.

More passive aggressiveness. Don't tell me what I can and can not clear. I literally did FRU in PF. FT is the worst entry design I have ever seen, it's not acceptable, it isn't worth doing discord or no discord. Period end of story.