So how is everyone feeling about Occult Crescent now that it’s been a few days?

[Voidmage]

My experience with FF14's community as a whole is that its NOT actually as welcoming and forgiving as people claim it to be, especially with the constant blaming on me for why the game is in the state that its in because "eww, casuals" and it's one of the big reasons I've quit. (The other two being an ironic lack of casual content and apathetic developers.)

But how many of those were actually ingame?
This forum here is not a healthy place to be and imo ingame most people either ignore you or are more than happy to just chat or give help.
The amount of help I usually see in field content is honestly staggering.
Sure this game is definitely not the paradise of social life some want to sell it as but it truly is really high up.
And like I said most people really don’t care if you don’t play optimal.
I really don’t agree with the notion that this game is a toxic wasteland.
I have seen by far more helpful people than not.

I mean you wanna see toxic, try engage with forked tower. The entire content is gatekept behind discord grou content squatters that will kick you or grief you if you dare to enter their raid unschedueled. Admittedly it's SE encouraged toxicity but even so. You will not see the same toxicity in casual content like ce's and fates so if you where only engaging with that yeah it doesn't look as bad.

At this point it’s clear that you have a disdain for people using Discord and see them as lesser.
I write this the last time and others have also already replied to you in your last message.
The people in Discord groups are normal players who try to give people a clear. Without them BA would have been dead.
They are full of players giving tips and answering questions and just trying to work around this stupid tower entry system.
I won’t say more regarding this topic.

I AM engaging in that content and I AM in such a Discord.
I won’t engage any more with someone who calls people names just because they use Discord.

[AlucaDragonheart]

It's not good at all.

I resubbed after months just for this content, expecting an improved Bozja, but not only did I get a worse Bozja, I got a worse Eureka as well.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

I mean you wanna see toxic, try engage with forked tower. The entire content is gatekept behind discord group content squatters that will kick you or grief you if you dare to enter their raid unschedueled. Admittedly it's SE encouraged toxicity but even so. You will not see the same toxicity in casual content like ce's and fates so if you where only engaging with that yeah it doesn't look as bad.

[Gurgeh]

But how many of those were actually ingame?
This forum here is not a healthy place to be and imo ingame most people either ignore you or are more than happy to just chat or give help.
The amount of help I usually see in field content is honestly staggering.
Sure this game is definitely not the paradise of social life some want to sell it as but it truly is really high up.
And like I said most people really don’t care if you don’t play optimal.
I really don’t agree with the notion that this game is a toxic wasteland.
I have seen by far more helpful people than not.

I played for pretty much five years now. NA and EU heavily.
'Compared' to how the community 'used' to be it is a toxic wasteland.
I remember when 'every' instance most players said 'hi' at the start. Now it's mostly just me. Sure in an 8 man there is always someone, but 1-2/7 is not good.
I remember if you did chat in dungeon you'd typically get engagement from 2/3 others in there with you. Now it's mostly just silence.
I remember the old Prae and Castrum would always strike up a conversation between vets, if you felt like filling the time. Now, just silence.
The only people left are the add-on RPers playing a totally different game.
And the raiders, playing a totally different game, where their real friends, the ones they meet their static for several hours 3-4 times a week , who are who they want to sprint all msq normal with, get ex done, conquer chaotic, get savage done, and onto ultimate, are in a different discord to the one your in for your FC. That's where they chat about the game. Your FC community is a wasteland. (I've tried several since moving to light). Raiding communities, or just dead. The odd sprout couple doing MSQ. But they never interact much with other players. They used to, but now, they are pretty much the only sprouts as far as they are aware probably. They are not seeing discord interactions that they can relate to.

No one chats in game any more. I'm still in several communities. No one is raving about the actual game or sharing their uncontainable excitement about anything. A lot of people want to know they are not alone in being unhappy with the game. When they do there is always that one person and their bully croney mate waiting to tell them to STFU and unsub. Lately they will also be a high end player but that wasn't the case a few months back.

In OC, no-one is saying 'hi' when you join the party.
You all know it's true.
Mostly litterally noone in OC is noticing it stopping to help a player who's being ambushed on this way to an aeterite.
None one is stopping to charge to healer to res a player 'before' engaging in a fate.
The other day I did that, and the player clearly so surprised and thankful, that I was suprised. Clearly they were expecting to just have to watch everyone else play from the floor.

Compared to what it once was the game is a total wasteland. Of interactions that do still occur, far more of them are a bit toxic.

[Voidmage]

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You literally proofed what I have written, that most players don’t really care.
Being silent or not saying hello is also not toxic, like come on.

Your OC example is also… I don’t even know what to say.
Players stop all the time to help others.
Someone posts a “rez please” and healers will run through the entire map to help them or mass raise after a CE and I have lots and lots of casual conversations there.

Your examples absolutely do not match what I have or see in streams of others.
I am not saying you are lying but… dude, just because someone doesn’t say hello, doesn’t mean they are toxic.

I honestly have no idea what to write here anymore.
If you guys think a missing hello or silence is toxic or that people are “squatters” or “elitist” because they use Discord… then I think you might be the problem or you don’t know what toxic in an online community even means.

With that I leave this discussion because it will lead nowhere.

[Miguelstein]

Im trying to clear Forked Tower in a discord, we are at Marble Dragon and while it's really fun, people is nice and callouts are good, getting home from work and waste 1 entire hour between waiting to fill the 6 alliances and the tower to spawn is really killing my will to clear this. We made groups at 19:00ST and started the first fight at 21:00ST. Then it's another hour to get to Dragon and when we wipe I can't do another run cause it will take minimum 1 hour more and I have work in the morning. So Im working in the morning and waiting to start a run at night and im not seeing it worth the effort. I wish it could be faster to start FT, I love doing the fights, but this is just bad game design imho

[Daralii]

You literally proofed what I have written, that most players don’t really care.
Being silent or not saying hello is also not toxic, like come on.

Your OC example is also… I don’t even know what to say.
Players stop all the time to help others.
Someone posts a “rez please” and healers will run through the entire map to help them or mass raise after a CE and I have lots and lots of casual conversations there.

Your examples absolutely do not match what I have or see in streams of others.
I am not saying you are lying but… dude, just because someone doesn’t say hello, doesn’t mean they are toxic.

I honestly have no idea what to write here anymore.
If you guys think a missing hello or silence is toxic or that people are “squatters” or “elitist” because they use Discord… then I think you might be the problem or you don’t know what toxic in an online community even means.

With that I leave this discussion because it will lead nowhere.

You're replying to someone that argued there needed to be a "final solution" to addon users because of "toxic" hardcore players. He's either a very dedicated troll or somewhat unhinged.

[Gurgeh]

You literally proofed what I have written, that most players don’t really care.
Being silent or not saying hello is also not toxic, like come on.

Your OC example is also… I don’t even know what to say.
Players stop all the time to help others.
Someone posts a “rez please” and healers will run through the entire map to help them or mass raise after a CE and I have lots and lots of casual conversations there.

Your examples absolutely do not match what I have or see in streams of others.
I am not saying you are lying but… dude, just because someone doesn’t say hello, doesn’t mean they are toxic.

I honestly have no idea what to write here anymore.
If you guys think a missing hello or silence is toxic or that people are “squatters” or “elitist” because they use Discord… then I think you might be the problem or you don’t know what toxic in an online community even means.

With that I leave this discussion because it will lead nowhere.

Not what it was though not nearly. To me it's a wasteland. Maybe not toxic but, more toxic than it used to be. Wasteland.
Yes someone out of 70 people go to do a res, but I regard that as setting the bar pretty low.
I agree you are not saying I'm lying, but it's a wasteland, and while not 'very' toxic far 'more' toxic then it 'used to' be.
Being silent, being passive, does 'not' qualify as friendly.
It is a good fit for 'wasteland' though.

[Gurgeh]

You're replying to someone that argued there needed to be a "final solution" to addon users because of "toxic" hardcore players. He's either a very dedicated troll or somewhat unhinged.

...

Here is that post of mine... I'll go bump it for yours and the add ons dev communities benefit.

It was a final solution to us Progliar/casual problems, not the high-end.

I'm not someone who believes that the whole world has suddenly turned autistic, and completely lost the ability to recognise irony from context, and I have no reason to think that is the case from you, but I do believe you believe your take on that post of mine.

Yes, my suggestion was "unhinged". It was utterly, completely, ludicrous. Totally unimplimentable and would be caustically hostile to what remains of the player population at large.
But the point was that things have now already got so out of hand that it's beyond correcting except in the 'doubtfully' viably long term.
And if that is not the case already, then SE needs to back CB3 (which i think is what is not going on behind the scenes) and they need to act fast. Or the only effective solution, will be the unthinkable solutions, and they are unthinkable.
I just saw my first genuine suggestion the other day, in an RP group (that hardly mentions the game much except in passing) that anticheat was now inevitable to curb addons. And these are not people who tolerate interference in their OSes.

But make this about me if you want. All the time this game slips further into unthinkable, (impossible) territory, while I and others move on.
I came back to keep friends company. 1 never did despite being actively subbed, the other left faster than am. Oh and these were very mild dedicated RPG players in their time. Real credits to old school 'caring' community. I doubt we'll be back for OC round 2. As far as I am concerned I can now never complete OC round 1, and i am a bit of completionist. It's why it took me 3+ years to reach EW.
But make it all about me. Fine.

[Voidmage]

Not what it was though not nearly. To me it's a wasteland. Maybe not toxic but, more toxic than it used to be. Wasteland.
Yes someone out of 70 people go to do a res, but I regard that as setting the bar pretty low.
I agree you are not saying I'm lying, but it's a wasteland, and while not 'very' toxic far 'more' toxic then it 'used to' be.
Being silent, being passive, does 'not' qualify as friendly.
It is a good fit for 'wasteland' though.

1/70 is completely underplaying what is actually happening.
First only a few are on healer.
Not everyone needs to run to raise one person.
I often see more than one running towards that person or people asking if they still need a raise.
The raising of dead people in field content is really the worst example there is and I don’t agree the notion of measuring toxity there with the amount of people raising.

That and your second part is just “searching for misery”.
With all due respect Gurgeh but you are a person I would really give the honest suggestion of stepping away from the forum a bit and see at the positive things in life and in this game.
Yes, toxic people exist absolutely and not only a few but the good people do outweigh t the bad apples by far in this game and in others.

But this is really my last take on this topic. This doesn’t lead anywhere.
If you want to believe this game is such a toxic ground then so that but let me just say this:
If you expect negative things behind every corner you will definitely find it.

Edit:
Your Zepla take is also… strange.
Are you truly comparing yourself to her?

You're replying to someone that argued there needed to be a "final solution" to addon users because of "toxic" hardcore players. He's either a very dedicated troll or somewhat unhinged.

I really hope you are wrong…
I think you are right.