Please make Forked Tower more Accessible and easier like Bozja

[ForteNightshade]

Hmmm I wonder how many relic stages we’ll have with only one more zone…

If I had to guess they'll either toss another grind as the first "throwaway" step or it'll be another 1,500 tomes going forward ala EW.

[Kuroka]

Yeah like, whats the plan now? gettin that zone and some extra at 7.555555555555555? lol

[Daralii]

Yeah like, whats the plan now? gettin that zone and some extra at 7.555555555555555? lol

The forgotten relics step in Delubrum had deep dungeons as the alternative, so that would fill 7.3 at least, but I have no idea what they could do for 7.4 that isn't just grinding the same FATEs again. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to make the first Forked Tower a requirement, right?

[Gurgeh]

Oh that's such a crock, Dawntrail has pretty much been a hardcore player paradise ....

Bravo! Well said! The (united) attitude from Savage raiders that I was greeted by as my casual communities started disintegrating 6 weeks after 7.0, was 'exactly' what Aidorouge described, and it's why I now give 'no benefit of the doubt' to the stance of Savage-Ultimate raiders, and is many have read from me what they have. I was only ever talking about casual content, not even my own content, I certainly wasn't interfering in high end. Once they slammed the door on my casual content, that was when my interest changing EX and savage became the only option.

I'm tempted to take out a displate membership so I can get Aid's post turned into a custom to replace my Tataru 'We can do it!'
High end have only themselves to blame. Picto came out, ultimate YouTubers did nothing but bitch about how it needed nerfing while all the time overusing it in their own parties. Wanting the same kind of job choice in ultimate that leveling roul enjoys? Talk about entitled. Then when they finally make Picto work like summoner, high end will blame poor 'Frieren Fireeyes' the serial casual MSQ alt-er and normal raid KO collector, who was just trying to level it in Wanderers Palace and unlimited Chloe's, very adequately.

[Kuroka]

The forgotten relics step in Delubrum had deep dungeons as the alternative, so that would fill 7.3 at least, but I have no idea what they could do for 7.4 that isn't just grinding the same FATEs again. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to make the first Forked Tower a requirement, right?

Oh remember, or rather i dont, cause that were i stopped wasting my time lol

The relic needs to be way higher ilvl then the sorry excuse we got...

[itachi-otsutsuki]

And no they aren't annoyed by the entry method cause it keeps their server alive and useful. They thrive on people's misery.

[Reimmi]

This thing is poorly designed
You can't have the entire instance enter, it's a lottery system
It is designed to be too difficult for casual players to succeed in, a bit above extreme trials in difficulty, suggesting to use premades
You can't make guarantee your full premade can even enter the thing, leading to a couple players who have never done the thing being able to grief it (not all their fault, it's the systems fault)
Why couldnt this have been like bozja where you queue for it outside the instance, and have an easier casual raid inside?

[Gurgeh]

This thing is poorly designed
You can't have the entire instance enter, it's a lottery system
It is designed to be too difficult for casual players to succeed in, a bit above extreme trials in difficulty, suggesting to use premades
You can't make guarantee your full premade can even enter the thing, leading to a couple players who have never done the thing being able to grief it (not all their fault, it's the systems fault)
Why couldnt this have been like bozja where you queue for it outside the instance, and have an easier casual raid inside?

Your know what, I think i might try Forked if I can just queue it.
But not if I 'have' to do the gold grind before I can start. I'll do that that while I'm progging it. Also, I'm afraid I won't be preparing with guides. I'll check guides after. I'm looking for communication in game.
It's s shame. THIS kind of attitude would have worked for Chaotic, but I don't think it's going to work for this because i doubt you can just re-pull.
Then when it fails, they'll say "well we tried" and won't try it again for the right kind of content.

[Khryseis_Astra]

This thing is poorly designed
You can't have the entire instance enter, it's a lottery system
It is designed to be too difficult for casual players to succeed in, a bit above extreme trials in difficulty, suggesting to use premades
You can't make guarantee your full premade can even enter the thing, leading to a couple players who have never done the thing being able to grief it (not all their fault, it's the systems fault)
Why couldnt this have been like bozja where you queue for it outside the instance, and have an easier casual raid inside?

Just wondering, now that we’re seeing people clear it, for anyone who’s done both BA and Forked Tower, which did you feel was objectively harder? And do you feel the Tower has the same potential for herding first-timers through as BA? (Despite the challenge of getting a full group into the same instance!)

[itachi-otsutsuki]

I think a lot of the hardcore catering is due to popular streamers tbh. Cause it doesn't make sense from a for profit business perspective since most of the players are casuals or midcore. If it wasn't for the streamers I don't think they would care for hardcore stuff nearly as much.