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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    Bahahaha everyone in this thread is pathetic except the OP. Use whatever the fuck you want man, I'm sure you'll still pwn either way. Min/Max noobs need to get a life and worry about their own equips instead of trying to decide how anyone should play. Also, parse or gtfo with your theorycraft. But in all seriousness, how brainless do you have to be to call anything bar "the best" as "useless". There's more than one viable way to do things, even if its not max efficiency. I'd theorycraft about why its not as inferior as ppl think, but i'd rather not. Test it yourself, or be quiet and keep to yourself I say.

    He's not going to be gimp because he's not using the best weapon in the game. Do I really need to explain this? Everyone here is so brain dead.
    No, he won't "pwn either way". Math doesn't work like that. Also, if there is an efficient way to do something and an inefficient way to do the same thing, you'd have to be pretty dumb to do it the inefficient way. As far as I can tell the GC lance has no niche and will under almost all conditions underperform other weapons that could be considered easier to obtain.

    If you want to walk around with it because you think it looks great, go ahead, but really, don't kid yourself into thinking it was a good investment as far as your battle performance goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    No, he won't "pwn either way". Math doesn't work like that. Also, if there is an efficient way to do something and an inefficient way to do the same thing, you'd have to be pretty dumb to do it the inefficient way. As far as I can tell the GC lance has no niche and will under almost all conditions underperform other weapons that could be considered easier to obtain.

    If you want to walk around with it because you think it looks great, go ahead, but really, don't kid yourself into thinking it was a good investment as far as your battle performance goes.
    When you can't dispute math the only response appears to be "u jelly" and "u mad"

    Clearly you were put in your place....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatdawg View Post
    When you can't dispute math the only response appears to be "u jelly" and "u mad"

    Clearly you were put in your place....
    Because, its not about the "Math" its about having fun... I can careless about stats.. as long as me, myself is having fun all else is irreverent. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frein View Post
    No, he won't "pwn either way". Math doesn't work like that. Also, if there is an efficient way to do something and an inefficient way to do the same thing, you'd have to be pretty dumb to do it the inefficient way. As far as I can tell the GC lance has no niche and will under almost all conditions underperform other weapons that could be considered easier to obtain.

    If you want to walk around with it because you think it looks great, go ahead, but really, don't kid yourself into thinking it was a good investment as far as your battle performance goes.
    Are you kidding me? There's more than one "efficient" way besides the "best" way. This is what you're failing to understand. You substituted the "most efficient way" for "the only efficient way," completely forgetting about allllll that shit inbetween. So yes, math does work that way. Math tells you what is best, what is not as good, what is terrible, and what is utter garbage. So let me ask you, are all weapon besides Ifrits Harpoon "garbage"? Are they? OF course not. Are they as good. Not they're not. But are you going to run around calling everyone's class garbage because they're not using the best most efficient weapon that exists in the game? I hope not, or I would have to conclude you are brainless.

    No one is disputing your claim to Ifrits being superior, though thats yet to be proven as of now with the new weapons. But I digress from that point. I am disputing your narrow way of thinking that anything inferior to the best gear possible is necessarily garbage. That is such an erroneous way of thinking I'm not sure whether to call you a troll, ignorant, or just misguided. I dont think you are trying to say that, but that *is* exactly what you have been saying. If you want to refine your point, go right ahead, but the OP wont be garbage for using a weapon you deem as inferior to the absolute best. There are "good" weapons, "comparable" weapons, and "average" weapons that exist before Ifrit weapons you know. You do know that right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    Are you kidding me? There's more than one "efficient" way besides the "best" way. This is what you're failing to understand. You substituted the "most efficient way" for "the only efficient way," completely forgetting about allllll that shit inbetween. So yes, math does work that way. Math tells you what is best, what is not as good, what is terrible, and what is utter garbage. So let me ask you, are all weapon besides Ifrits Harpoon "garbage"? Are they? OF course not. Are they as good. Not they're not. But are you going to run around calling everyone's class garbage because they're not using the best most efficient weapon that exists in the game? I hope not, or I would have to conclude you are brainless.

    No one is disputing your claim to Ifrits being superior, though thats yet to be proven as of now with the new weapons. But I digress from that point. I am disputing your narrow way of thinking that anything inferior to the best gear possible is necessarily garbage. That is such an erroneous way of thinking I'm not sure whether to call you a troll, ignorant, or just misguided. I dont think you are trying to say that, but that *is* exactly what you have been saying. If you want to refine your point, go right ahead, but the OP wont be garbage for using a weapon you deem as inferior to the absolute best. There are "good" weapons, "comparable" weapons, and "average" weapons that exist before Ifrit weapons you know. You do know that right?
    That's not the way math works...at all...

    Math does not tell you what is good, bad or indifferent as those are subjective, emotionally loaded terms that cannot be measured on a mathematical scale. Math tells you two things :

    1.) What the correct answer is.

    2.) What the most efficient way to reach the correct answer is.

    There are no multiple valid answers in math. A solution to a mathematical problem is either correct or incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    That's not the way math works...at all...

    Math does not tell you what is good, bad or indifferent as those are subjective, emotionally loaded terms that cannot be measured on a mathematical scale. Math tells you two things :

    1.) What the correct answer is.

    2.) What the most efficient way to reach the correct answer is.

    There are no multiple valid answers in math. A solution to a mathematical problem is either correct or incorrect.
    And she wasn't disputing math.. She was just saying that people just think Primal Weapons is what everyone uses.. and if you don't use it.. Your a noob for not using it.. thus people telling you how to play the game.. That's all she was saying.. and what I'm saying as well.. I love my new lance Over Ifrit.. because its fun to use it over Ifrit, Not because it's Mathematically better!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    And she wasn't disputing math.. She was just saying that people just think Primal Weapons is what everyone uses.. and if you don't use it.. Your a noob for not using it.. thus people telling you how to play the game.. That's all she was saying.. and what I'm saying as well.. I love my new lance Over Ifrit.. because its fun to use it over Ifrit, Not because it's Mathematically better!.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    So yes, math does work that way. Math tells you what is best, what is not as good, what is terrible, and what is utter garbage.
    That's exactly what she was arguing Star. ._.

    By the way, I never said anything about anyone being a noob for not using Ifrit's Harpoon either. Just that math does not tell you anything about good or bad, only correct or incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    That's exactly what she was arguing Star. ._.
    Math, tells you in the name of games weather something is: Best, Awesome, Good, Average, not so good, and Bad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    Math, tells you in the name of games weather something is: Best, Awesome, Good, Average, not so good, and Bad...
    No it doesn't. Math tells you what is correct and what is incorrect. It is correct that Ifrit's Harpoon deals more damage, period. Whether you or anyone else infers that it means it's good, bad or indifferent has nothing to do with math.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna View Post
    No one is disputing your claim to Ifrits being superior, though thats yet to be proven as of now with the new weapons. But I digress from that point. I am disputing your narrow way of thinking that anything inferior to the best gear possible is necessarily garbage. That is such an erroneous way of thinking I'm not sure whether to call you a troll, ignorant, or just misguided. I dont think you are trying to say that, but that *is* exactly what you have been saying. If you want to refine your point, go right ahead, but the OP wont be garbage for using a weapon you deem as inferior to the absolute best. There are "good" weapons, "comparable" weapons, and "average" weapons that exist before Ifrit weapons you know. You do know that right?
    You clearly missed the part where I said the GC lance has no niche because it's harder to obtain than other superior weapons (and I'm not referring to Ifrit's Harpoon here).
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