The Atma Complaint: Length of Time/Acquisition Rate vs. Long-term Investment

[Kaurhz]

I see you reply in almost all of these OC/Atma grind threads with the same statements, are you going to play other games, or are you going to keep repeating the same things on the official forums lmfao

I wonder how long it takes to make a post on a forum? 3 minutes? Out of a persons entire spare time.

Can't possibly still be playing other games, nah, not plausible at all.

[dspguy]

But it isn't a long-term investment. Every relic we earned in 6.5 became obsolete in less than 5 months from dungeon trash in June. As will this relic.

And while I have no issue with the more involved mechanics with CEs, if I wanted to have to be this engaged for gear for hours and hours, I'd consider savage instead.

[Raim]

Heres what they should do. Let the player buy a replica version of a relic step for 1500-2000 tomes worth of materials and it has no stats on it. It'll be just for the people who want a glamour. Then let players power up said replica with atma to give it stats equivalent to tome weapons. And when the next stage comes around, let people who just made the replica version upgrade to the next replica.

[Ajisaii]

I see you reply in almost all of these OC/Atma grind threads with the same statements, are you going to play other games, or are you going to keep repeating the same things on the official forums lmfao

It's a femhroth player just ignore them

[Voidmage]

But it isn't a long-term investment. Every relic we earned in 6.5 became obsolete in less than 5 months from dungeon trash in June. As will this relic

Relics have always been (aside from the very first ones) for glamour and bragging rights reward first and foremost.
That’s why they are mostly judged on looks.

[Kuroka]

But it isn't a long-term investment. Every relic we earned in 6.5 became obsolete in less than 5 months from dungeon trash in June. As will this relic.

And while I have no issue with the more involved mechanics with CEs, if I wanted to have to be this engaged for gear for hours and hours, I'd consider savage instead.

The Problem was and always will be the fact that the Relic is not allowed to be the strongest, what imo makes it pointless..

[Fordragon]

I really had fun in the new zone, but had to leave it and waste some hours hoping to get the missing two atmas doing regular fates without luck, after I reached 21 in OC with multiple beeing more then the required 3 per type.

So annoying having to stop playing the zone and leveling the phantom jobs, because I could possibly play another 10 hours or more without getting the one type of atma that is missing to complete the first weapon.

[Valence]

The thing is that they already solved this problem in ShB. The initial memories for Bozja weapons could drop randomly from mobs, drop at a higher rate from FATEs, and were guaranteed from CEs, and the fact that the step wasn't one-and-done gave the content a longer shelf life.

It felt like shit too, it was mind numbing fate spamming.
And the whole of Bozja had the actually interesting content gated behind all of this (CLL/Dalriada).

[Kaurhz]

I wonder if this is more of the "friction" Yoshi-P promised by grinding people down to the bone because of RNG.

It's like every decision they've made this expansion has been for the sole purpose of pissing off as many people as possible while pleasing only a handful (if even that many).

I'm not even sure it's friction they are aiming for... Based on what they've been doing and how they've been doing it, I don't really think they have any direction in mind, and I think generally they are just trying to throw random ideas out there.

Honestly, I am going to be a bit of a.... and just say this, that I don't even think people are pleased with what the grind is or how the grind is, I just think they are pleased that they actually had something to do which wasn't just them logging in and getting their first relic for free. Like, I unironically think they could have done literally anything that wasn't just freebie tomes and they'd actually be happy with it.

[Khryseis_Astra]

So annoying having to stop playing the zone and leveling the phantom jobs, because I could possibly play another 10 hours or more without getting the one type of atma that is missing to complete the first weapon.

The other annoying part is when you finally get 3 of one of the colors, and then the ones you already have drop, and not the ones you need! I got 4 of 2 colors, and it was making me avoid CEs in the “wrong” zones, in favor of fates from the correct zone for the color I wanted. And when that wasn’t any more fruitful, I finally got frustrated enough to farm outside fates.

I really love the zone and I didn’t want to have to leave it, but the RNG of the atma drop was souring my whole experience. So I left, did 4 hours of outside fates and finished my relic. Now I can just enjoy the zone, not get any more unneeded rocks in my inventory, and focus on what I love about the zone… get my phantom jobs, get my coins, go out and hunt for chests and carrots… I hate RNG so much. It was ruining the otherwise awesome experience of the zone for me. I’m done already because I have obsessive tendencies and got lucky, and others are still out there farming rocks.