Accessibility and Jumping Puzzles. Why Are We Still Doing This?

[Nana_Bear]

It has two to my knowledge
The tower, which you access at the top of the tavern area, and the inn room which you have to get on top of the rooftops and walk across the line with lanterns to access

There's some in DT as well.

[Nana_Bear]

god forbid something fun is in the game, lets just make it easy for the sake of an extreme minority of players, let's just not have any challenge just in case someone has a sensitivity or disability that might make it hard for them to do it, while we're at it, lets just make the bosses static and not allow them any movement even during spell and have a cast bar in the middle of the screen, just in case someone is unable to follow on the boss moving on the screen.

you cant give full accessibility in an MMORPG, except if you want static items everywhere and 0 challenge in anything, nothing would move, not even the sky, because what is someone looks up and gets dizzy, sometimes I look down from high areas and get sick a little and dizzy because I have a fear of height, perhaps they should adapt the game to me too ?

I am obviously sorry that you have a disability, and I am sure its terrible to live with, but the game cannot adapt to every disabled and also sensitive person, if you open the accessibility can of worms, then its never-ending and you end up with a soulless game, even more than it already is.

Nice gaslighting there.

Who said "The entire game needs to be reduced to zero challenge, in order to provide accessibility OPTIONS for people who need them"? Answer: No one but YOU.

Are you THAT het up that a player might be able to use some particular accessibility aid THAT HAS TO BE TURNED ON TO USE IT, while you "did it the hard way"? Really? When umpty-bajillion people out there are using all kinds of mods, etc. and "didn't do a thing the hard way, like I did," either?

It's BS to say "they have to make EVERYONE'S game super-easy and dull, to provide accessibility on something like this," yet that's the BS you're trying to sell here. Busted.

They can have a control with things that help people who *need* that help, that you can just freaking IGNORE and NOT USE. Like you probably ignore existing accessibility aids like being able to turn down visual effects on actions, etc. Duh. NO ONE is asking for everyone's game to "be made ridiculously easy," and yes it IS gaslighting for you to try to claim that's what she's asking for.

Go think about what you're saying and how you're trying to cloak belittling the OP and all people with disabilities, with a combo of gaslighting, fake sympathy, and "If it's not tough for you, you don't deserve it" mentality. Because that's exactly what you're doing here.

[Nana_Bear]

dont do content that you arent capable of, theres enough other stuff in this game.. or other games

why should 99,9% of the gaming population suffer/get less content due to 1 person or ultra minorities

Pray tell me how you and "99..9% of the gaming population" would "suffer" with some kind of add-on THAT YOU CAN JUST NOT USE, that could help disabled people also complete content? Does it impact YOUR gameplay NOW because OTHER players can reduce or turn off battle-effects visuals on THEIR screen in a fight? Does it affect YOUR gameplay and what's on YOUR screen in any way whatsoever?

[Nana_Bear]

The Kugane Tower jumping puzzle is difficult for a lot of players (even those without disabilities) so I can only imagine how frustrating it is for you (I've spent hours on it and only managed to complete it twice since Stormblood was released). Best thing to do is find another player who will help via the Rescue or Self-Destruct/Raise method as previously mentioned.

Though I am confused why you are referencing 8-year old content and using that as a basis to ask why/imply SE are STILL making inaccessible content of this type? (Not saying that they could do with some improvements on more recent content but it just makes the argument for changes a bit on the weaker side).

There's two jump puzzles in Dawn Trail---just sayin'.

[Nana_Bear]

This is not an accessibility issue. Just suck it up. It's not that serious. I find it hard to believe that this is a serious post.

Really? So you know exactly what it's like to play the game with the kind of disability she describes, and know it's "not an accessibility issue," even though you have zero experience with it?

Perhaps you'd also like to explain to someone who struggles with dungeons/fights where the "orange area effect" circle/shape blends right into the similar-colored floor for people with even partial color-blindness, how that "shouldn't affect their ability to get out of AOEs," right?

"Just suck it up"---well now, you clearly have a problem worse than her physical disability, because yours is that you've never bothered to grow your compassion. I say that IS worse (for the world), because her disability is something *she* has to deal with in her own life, but *yours* harms lots of other people, not just yourself. The biggest difference is that hers is something she cannot change... but with YOURS, you COULD.

During the height of COVID, when we didn't have a vaccine nor treatments, I literally had some guy tell me, "I don't want to put up with the INCONVENIENCE of a mask; it's on YOU to protect your vulnerable family members, not my problem. If they die, so what? Why should I care?" Even though him choosing to risk spreading it himself *did* put my vulnerable family members at greater risk, along with many others, while bodies were piling up in freezer trucks. I lost two family members to it.

That man divorced himself from the human race. The world was all about him and ONLY him, in his eyes. Don't grow to be that guy. Really. Stop and think, and while you are, think about the positives and rewards growing your compassion can bring to YOU.

PS: accessibility aids can be something a player has to toggle *on* to access; as I said to others, it does NOT mean "the entire game needs to be made super-easy," if that is your beef with her request.

[Volgia]

This post was a bait on a minefield, damn, I heard the explosions all the way from my savage run.

[SXTC]

Jumping puzzles are fun but it sounds like you are making one big mistake... remember that the hitboxes aren't alligned perfect so if you want to jump on a ledge... always aim for the outer edge of the object. That way you'll always get on.

[Nero-Voidstails]

there are people who cant do it without being disabled. so pushing the blame on a disability is kinda weird.

and also... isnt this bait? that cant be serious, is it?

with how the community is overall in some matter I sadly believe it is true

[Nero-Voidstails]

This post was a bait on a minefield, damn, I heard the explosions all the way from my savage run.

on a scale of 1 to 10 how was the tremor?-move mic to him-

[Doomed_Raven]

Jumping puzzles are fun but it sounds like you are making one big mistake... remember that the hitboxes aren't alligned perfect so if you want to jump on a ledge... always aim for the outer edge of the object. That way you'll always get on.

I just did this yesterday and the hitboxes are definitely off. You have to stand off of the end of some wooden posts (so you are floating) to make the jump to the next without hitting an invisible wall. It's pretty ganky, reminds me of Dark Souls, climbing down the inside of that giant tree in the blight town swamp.

For OP, I did this yesterday for the first time. To make it more accessible without lowering it's difficulty for everyone, I think CBSIII would need to make a separate version of the course that changes with some accessibility option turned on (aside from just adding a shortcut/feature). Sadly this won't happen, I've come to realize CBSIII don't care about bots and don't seem to care about bugs (speaking from experience where I randomly lost a 0.58p shop dye in the glamour dresser, which should not have happened). As I understand, Vierra and Hrothgar don't even have hats yet. I think a QoL feature that adds accessibility to this course would be far beyond their ability/means at this stage. But If you want help with this, I'm on Chaos DC and would be happy to rez you up the tower for any awkward parts, please let me know if you get stuck on it.