#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kohashi]

Solo healing is not the point (where did you even get that from) because all of those fights are very very viable with double shield healer but good luck with double meme healer comp

You’ve yet to present a case as to why regens bring anything useful to the vast majority of encounters besides AST doing more damage than anyone else

The point is the shield healers are simply too strong and the strengths of the regen healers are wasted. You pointing out limited excess GCD healing on forsaken’s part doesn’t disprove her point that SGE uselessly vomits out healing that makes even the regen healers blush and SCH only kinda passes under the radar because it’s easier to dump into ED than anything else

The point that you are trying to make is based on a flawed example. Sure, if you just look at their initial picture, you can assume that, in that case, the WHM was close to useless.
However, conclusions should not be drawn in a vacuum, but they should be drawn while analyzing the context and trying to understand the entire setup by looking at the factors that contributed to that outcome.

[Supersnow845]

The point that you are trying to make is based on a flawed example. Sure, if you just look at their initial picture, you can assume that, in that case, the WHM was close to useless.
However, conclusions should not be drawn in a vacuum, but they should be drawn while analyzing the context and trying to understand the entire setup by looking at the factors that contributed to that outcome.

I didn’t make the solo healing example, you did, I used the example of double shields being good vs double regens being a meme and how AST isn’t the problem child in that relationship because it can act as a pseudo shield healer while WHM cannot because of its excessively rigid mitigation. If regen healers were so essential then why is double shield healer such a strong comp

This game basically treats every healer as an assumed shield healer and WHM is the only one not equipped to actually fulfil that role which makes the shield healers job harder. Its theoretical HPS is incredibly niche simply because it has to be entirely unplanned as the other healers can stock high HPS equivalent moves to compensate. So why bring the “I may save you in the rare circumstance where everyone is incredibly low and it’s totally unplanned so nobody but me has an answer but otherwise I’m weaker on mitigation than some DPS” over the “I’m always useful because I actually have good mitigation in my kit” (which healer am I talking about here, it doesn’t matter because it applies to any healer not called WHM)

[Kohashi]

I didn’t make the solo healing example, you did, I used the example of double shields being good vs double regens being a meme and how AST isn’t the problem child in that relationship because it can act as a pseudo shield healer while WHM cannot because of its excessively rigid mitigation. If regen healers were so essential then why is double shield healer such a strong comp

This game basically treats every healer as an assumed shield healer and WHM is the only one not equipped to actually fulfil that role which makes the shield healers job harder. Its theoretical HPS is incredibly niche simply because it has to be entirely unplanned as the other healers can stock high HPS equivalent moves to compensate. So why bring the “I may save you in the rare circumstance where everyone is incredibly low and it’s totally unplanned so nobody but me has an answer but otherwise I’m weaker on mitigation than some DPS” over the “I’m always useful because I actually have good mitigation in my kit” (which healer am I talking about here, it doesn’t matter because it applies to any healer not called WHM)

I think you have a real comprehension issue since you cannot distinguish between the conversation I had where I was debating if pure healers are needed, and me commenting about having two pure healers in the party. Anyway...

Just curious, when was the last time you PF-ed, and how niche were those cases where people either stood in bad, died (including your co-heal), or people forgot to press their mit button, and everyone was super low?