Dear Community what even holds you in this game

[TheInsomniac13]

A MMO these days is my home away from home experience. I just decide day by day what I want to do now, no stress, no meeting demands, and *no* hard content - real life has enough of that, don't need this in my spare time.
For example: When CE hit, it got obvious very fast that I have no idea of how crafting works. So I just started leveling my crafters on an alt char, to relearn what I once knew. End result - I now mostly ignore CE, and just continue leveling that char I will never use her as a crafter, but at the moment it's just a fun thing to do, so that's what I'm doing for now. When I finish it (or loose interest), I will just do something else.
This is my playstyle, and FF14 is a very good place to live it. Of course there are things I don't like, but these are everywhere. Story being one of them, but I got through the terribad ARR post-MSQ and the Stormblood story, so I will also get through Dawntrail

I could relate really well with your post, back when I started playing FF 14 every streamer and YouTuber keeped telling me rush the MSQ get to the endgame and then fokus on side content... and I was just like... you know what I think I level all crafter and gatherer jobs because continiuing even ARR.
It then became my entire thing do do all the sidequest and content bevore advancing to the next expansion. Heck I made all the Relic weapons every expansion and I think Eureka Weapons permanently damaged my sanity but I still was proud on having archived it.

Which makes me now with 7300 Hours in this game... and still a sproud, so my main problem is all I right now have to look forward to is the shitshow that is the DT story and every new patch jobs beeing watered down even more. So there is no side content for me I could do hoping the Devs wake up and roll back a lot of the Job changes.
I also cannot just start a new character because the main draw to that would be to enjoy the leveling process of the jobs again... which I would really love to do if I still enjoyed playing this jobs.

Honestly when I reached Shadowbringer and noticed there are no Job Quests anymore but Role quests I was dissapointed but in retrospekt I see it as the point were the devs stoped caring for Jobidentity.

[Gwenkatsu]

Honestly when I reached Shadowbringer and noticed there are no Job Quests anymore but Role quests I was dissapointed but in retrospekt I see it as the point were the devs stoped caring for Jobidentity.

I have mixed feelings on this one, as the job quest lines in FF14 often were written terribly bad. Take the Warrior quests as example:

• Level 30: This is Curious Gorge. He is a Warrior. Warriors use the Beast Within, but he cannot control it yet.
• Level 35: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• Level 40: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• Level 45: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• ...
• Level 70: We have some wonderful news - Curious Gorge is now in love! Oh, and he still cannot control the Beast Within.

Or Machinist: "Hello, I'm Stephanivien, the Machinist Guild leader. Machinists do a lot of fascinating things, but unfortunately I'm the worst leader in the world. Therefore you will spent 90% of your time as a Machinist searching for the other guild members that will constantly run away from my terrible lead."

Or Bard: "These here are Sanson and Guydelot - two guys that are constantly at each others throat, for whatever reason. Oh, and Sanson also is a moron that will fall for even the most obvious and childish trap. Your job is to babysit these guys for 30 levels. Have fun!"

Or take the Alacrans, an army of ruffians that is short of overtaking Uldah. Every other jobs fights them until level 30, and then they completely disappear out of the world. Why? Nobody knows. Fun fact: when you're new, the game throws a lot of names at you. I always confused "Alacran" and "Ascian", so the whole story made even less sense

And so on.

Job identity through different quest lines is a good thing in my book. But I honestly felt relieved when they got rid of them, as the majority was just very bad. And I liked the Shadowbringer role quests way more; unfortunately the 90 and 100 role quests were another drop in quality.

[TheInsomniac13]

I have mixed feelings on this one, as the job quest lines in FF14 often were written terribly bad. Take the Warrior quests as example:

• Level 30: This is Curious Gorge. He is a Warrior. Warriors use the Beast Within, but he cannot control it yet.
• Level 35: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• Level 40: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• Level 45: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• ...
• Level 70: We have some wonderful news - Curious Gorge is now in love! Oh, and he still cannot control the Beast Within.

Or Machinist: "Hello, I'm Stephanivien, the Machinist Guild leader. Machinists do a lot of fascinating things, but unfortunately I'm the worst leader in the world. Therefore you will spent 90% of your time as a Machinist searching for the other guild members that will constantly run away from my terrible lead."

Or Bard: "These here are Sanson and Guydelot - two guys that are constantly at each others throat, for whatever reason. Oh, and Sanson also is a moron that will fall for even the most obvious and childish trap. Your job is to babysit these guys for 30 levels. Have fun!"

Or take the Alacrans, an army of ruffians that is short of overtaking Uldah. Every other jobs fights them until level 30, and then they completely disappear out of the world. Why? Nobody knows. Fun fact: when you're new, the game throws a lot of names at you. I always confused "Alacran" and "Ascian", so the whole story made even less sense

And so on.

Job identity through different quest lines is a good thing in my book. But I honestly felt relieved when they got rid of them, as the majority was just very bad. And I liked the Shadowbringer role quests way more; unfortunately the 90 and 100 role quests were another drop in quality.

Absolutly agree Warrior had some of the worse story writing in it´s jobquests but I rather wanted to see it betterd and not gone for good. I found the Stromblood Jobquests had some majore differences in stakes... Warrior Curios Gorge is in love!
Meanwhile Black Mage the legendary ancien Mage Shantoto transfears her mind into the body of your Black Mage companion to repel an astroid that is about to destroy Eorzea!... quite the difference if you ask me.

Heck I could probably fill entire book talking about the different Jobquests and which story lines worked well and which don´t.

[Doomed_Raven]

I have mixed feelings on this one, as the job quest lines in FF14 often were written terribly bad. Take the Warrior quests as example:

• Level 30: This is Curious Gorge. He is a Warrior. Warriors use the Beast Within, but he cannot control it yet.
• Level 35: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• Level 40: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• Level 45: He still cannot control the Beast Within.
• ...
• Level 70: We have some wonderful news - Curious Gorge is now in love! Oh, and he still cannot control the Beast Within.

Or Machinist: "Hello, I'm Stephanivien, the Machinist Guild leader. Machinists do a lot of fascinating things, but unfortunately I'm the worst leader in the world. Therefore you will spent 90% of your time as a Machinist searching for the other guild members that will constantly run away from my terrible lead."

Or Bard: "These here are Sanson and Guydelot - two guys that are constantly at each others throat, for whatever reason. Oh, and Sanson also is a moron that will fall for even the most obvious and childish trap. Your job is to babysit these guys for 30 levels. Have fun!"

Or take the Alacrans, an army of ruffians that is short of overtaking Uldah. Every other jobs fights them until level 30, and then they completely disappear out of the world. Why? Nobody knows. Fun fact: when you're new, the game throws a lot of names at you. I always confused "Alacran" and "Ascian", so the whole story made even less sense

And so on.

Job identity through different quest lines is a good thing in my book. But I honestly felt relieved when they got rid of them, as the majority was just very bad. And I liked the Shadowbringer role quests way more; unfortunately the 90 and 100 role quests were another drop in quality.

I'm just before SHB so yet to see jobs become role quests. But I do remember some pretty bad job quests/storylines!

Armorer: "Even though the dude you're having a contest with is 10 seconds away round the corner and could've looked at it whilst I'm still talking, I must halt the contest as this other person screwed up their work and your armour piece must immediately be sent off to replace it. But hey you agree with my position on running this guild? Shhh of course you do".

Warrior: "That kid you don't even know and couldn't care less about, I know you've been racked with rage and sorrow for them, so are you ready to avenge their family?"

Paladin: Jenylins "Get my sword from this traitor and avenge me!" Me "um can I just go fight unholy mosters in some tomb somewhere?"



But Rogue? I loved the Rogue questline and characters. The missions were even well varied. There are some other good ones too. Culinarian for HW, the ending was so random it made me laugh.

[Gwenkatsu]

Warrior: "That kid you don't even know and couldn't care less about, I know you've been racked with rage and sorrow for them, so are you ready to avenge their family?"

I totally forgot about that one, the Marauder quests were even worse than the Warrior's.
"Look, this boy's family has been killed by a flesh eating buffalo and his jolly band of various predators. I'm a level 50 Warrior and could easily kill said buffalo - but it's your task to do so, for whatever reason. So please level up fast, before the flesh eating buffalo kills more people. Which I could easily prevent, but won't. Go figure"

Black Mage and Red Mage were both good in my book, while most of the DoH/DoL quest lines were horrible (can't remember the Culinarian one, it's been ages since I did them).

[Mawlzy]

I totally forgot about that one, the Marauder quests were even worse than the Warrior's.
"Look, this boy's family has been killed by a flesh eating buffalo and his jolly band of various predators. I'm a level 50 Warrior and could easily kill said buffalo - but it's your task to do so, for whatever reason. So please level up fast, before the flesh eating buffalo kills more people. Which I could easily prevent, but won't. Go figure"

Black Mage and Red Mage were both good in my book, while most of the DoH/DoL quest lines were horrible (can't remember the Culinarian one, it's been ages since I did them).

I liked leatherworker because the guild lady is always pissed off and sarcy.

[Kisshu]

I totally forgot about that one, the Marauder quests were even worse than the Warrior's.
"Look, this boy's family has been killed by a flesh eating buffalo and his jolly band of various predators. I'm a level 50 Warrior and could easily kill said buffalo - but it's your task to do so, for whatever reason. So please level up fast, before the flesh eating buffalo kills more people. Which I could easily prevent, but won't. Go figure"

Black Mage and Red Mage were both good in my book, while most of the DoH/DoL quest lines were horrible (can't remember the Culinarian one, it's been ages since I did them).

HW CUL questline was pretty fun, just a big cooking competition.

[TheInsomniac13]

Yeah it feeled often like the Jobs had different writer of obvies skill differences.
Warrior, you little Potato! This Bull is now your nemesis you have to grow strong to beat him!
Me: I am bealry above a civilian with an ax I do not feel any claim to be the one killing this beast PLEASE send a marauder out imidietly to deal with this monster!

And then we got in comparison the Pugulist questline which tells a rather good story about lost glory and working towards reclaiming it.

Or Dragoon which basicly introduces Estinien and Nidhoogs eye long bevore they became relevant in Heavensward and making you be recognized as a second Azure Dragoon in sayed expansion, again a thing I would have loved seeing more in future expansion but it feels we get less and less of it.

[Doomed_Raven]

I totally forgot about that one, the Marauder quests were even worse than the Warrior's.
"Look, this boy's family has been killed by a flesh eating buffalo and his jolly band of various predators. I'm a level 50 Warrior and could easily kill said buffalo - but it's your task to do so, for whatever reason. So please level up fast, before the flesh eating buffalo kills more people. Which I could easily prevent, but won't. Go figure"

Black Mage and Red Mage were both good in my book, while most of the DoH/DoL quest lines were horrible (can't remember the Culinarian one, it's been ages since I did them).

Sorry that's the one, Marauder not warrior, where you're avenging the boy you've no reason to care about. And yeah the skilled marauder's leave the bull to rampage across La noscea. I actually need to do red mage, so I'll try that next I think, I've heard form others they liked it.

The Paladin 60-70 I just did was decent, we actually get to fight in the coliseum finally (kinda funny they abandoned Jenylins and went back to the Gladiator characters)

[Gwenkatsu]

(kinda funny they abandoned Jenylins and went back to the Gladiator characters)

That's another thing I dislike about the job quests so much - they constantly loose their focus (pre 30 everyone: "The Alacran, the Alacran, oh my god the Alacran - run!", post 30 everyone: "Alacran who? Never heard of them")

Red Mage tells not only a consistent story, but also a good one, with some nice little background info of the world and all. And you even get to visit one of the mage cities of eld (they reused raid assests for this quest, which I did not know back then, as I never did these raids ). So I hope you enjoy it!