People don’t realize how easy it is to get into raiding in this game

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Outside few reasons that others have laid out, another reason I'm not interested to raid---or rather, PF'ing EX/Savage---is because of the general PF mentality that I've noticed since Endwalker and onward: to treat one another like your pseudo trust NPCs. Idm filling, helping, or doing these fights with group of friends or fixed statics. But because I no longer have that, they're just unworthy of a mental investment.

I gave raiding plenty of chances though at this point. The most recent was the Cruiserweight but it only took 2 attempts to notice the same mentality has not only gone away but is actually way worse. So yeah, no. I'll stick to my RP/friends circles peacefully, thank you.

[SlickPaws]

Outside few reasons that others have laid out, another reason I'm not interested to raid---or rather, PF'ing EX/Savage---is because of the general PF mentality that I've noticed since Endwalker and onward: to treat one another like your pseudo trust NPCs. Idm filling, helping, or doing these fights with group of friends or fixed statics. But because I no longer have that, they're just unworthy of a mental investment.

I gave raiding plenty of chances though at this point. The most recent was the Cruiserweight but it only took 2 attempts to notice the same mentality has not only gone away but is actually way worse. So yeah, no. I'll stick to my RP/friends circles peacefully, thank you.

The problem isn't really helped by everything that's been said as well. It stands to reason that if the mentality is "Everyone has their own job to stick to and everyone's expected to know it" then you could get away with doing it solo with NPCs and get more or less the same experience as doing it with a [Duty Complete] PF group who just aren't saying much in chat. Provided the tanks are mitigating, the healers are taking care of raidwide damage and the DPS aren't taking unnecessary damage, and everyone's following the guide to the letter, there's really no incentive or reason to interact. The way raids are designed effectively enforces this mentality.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

The problem isn't really helped by everything that's been said as well. It stands to reason that if the mentality is "Everyone has their own job to stick to and everyone's expected to know it" then you could get away with doing it solo with NPCs and get more or less the same experience as doing it with a [Duty Complete] PF group who just aren't saying much in chat. Provided the tanks are mitigating, the healers are taking care of raidwide damage and the DPS aren't taking unnecessary damage, and everyone's following the guide to the letter, there's really no incentive or reason to interact. The way raids are designed effectively enforces this mentality.

I'd say this extends even to progging. I really do not mesh with "Watch a vid beforehand/while progging"-method. I have to actually DO the stuff to learn, and I have to do it continuously with only tiny breaks in-between should party mate even need it. The repetitive 'pauses' just because somebody needs to review their own material really force a figurative brake on my own learning momentum, and thus it's easy for me to just forget whatever I've learned up to that point.

Worse? There's very little communication, like you've said. "Is there anything I can do to help with X mechanic?" is often met with silence until the proverbial 'ok' via next abrupt countdown timer. Also don't even get me started on the ones who don't even know what it means to prog a fight together..... lol. It wasn't as bad during ShB as far as I can remember... what led to the shift in paradigm come EW, Idk. I'm so over that.

[Valence]

I'd say this extends even to progging. I really do not mesh with "Watch a vid beforehand/while progging"-method. I have to actually DO the stuff to learn, and I have to do it continuously with only tiny breaks in-between should party mate even need it. The repetitive 'pauses' just because somebody needs to review their own material really force a figurative brake on my own learning momentum, and thus it's easy for me to just forget whatever I've learned up to that point.

Worse? There's very little communication, like you've said. "Is there anything I can do to help with X mechanic?" is often met with silence until the proverbial 'ok' via next abrupt countdown timer. Also don't even get me started on the ones who don't even know what it means to prog a fight together..... lol. It wasn't as bad during ShB as far as I can remember... what led to the shift in paradigm come EW, Idk. I'm so over that.

It would blow people's mind that in SB and before PF progging or reclears actually had ranged dps not only flex between R1 and R2 because no holy raidplans, but also sometimes also ask you to know melee mechanics as well because getting 3 or even 4 ranged wasn't that unusual. People had to talk and adjust. If anything it was statics that guaranteed you a single consistent spot. I used to say that PF back then made the toughest, most adjusted mofos.

Currently it's just people throwing a fit whenever something deviates from the set of execution ever so slightly

[Ekymus]

Outside few reasons that others have laid out, another reason I'm not interested to raid---or rather, PF'ing EX/Savage---is because of the general PF mentality that I've noticed since Endwalker and onward: to treat one another like your pseudo trust NPCs. Idm filling, helping, or doing these fights with group of friends or fixed statics. But because I no longer have that, they're just unworthy of a mental investment.

I gave raiding plenty of chances though at this point. The most recent was the Cruiserweight but it only took 2 attempts to notice the same mentality has not only gone away but is actually way worse. So yeah, no. I'll stick to my RP/friends circles peacefully, thank you.

This is also a uniquely NA and EU problem. The Japan servers use PF as a learning tool. You want to learn an extreme or savage, you use PF to do it. If you're doing a roulete, you better know the fight because they want to get in and get it done.