Cosmic Exploration is CASUAL content with a pinch of midcore

[hydralus]

I just found out that you can fail the phase upgrade and it completely screws you and you get nothing in fates or red alerts for 8 hours. That's SOOOOO casual friendly

It's definitely messed up that lower pop servers can't finish their phases due to low turnout. Doesn't have anything to do with being casual friendly though, it has to do with server pop. I was under the impression that casuals don't care about red alerts anyway.

[Mawlzy]

It's definitely messed up that lower pop servers can't finish their phases due to low turnout. Doesn't have anything to do with being casual friendly though, it has to do with server pop. I was under the impression that casuals don't care about red alerts anyway.

Genuine question: why would they not?

[hydralus]

Genuine question: why would they not?

All I've heard is that red alerts are not a viable option to complete a relic because they only happen every 4 hours and a casual can't be expected to research their relic that way.
Granted I am unsure why people who don't gather and craft would want to grab a relic for it. It'd be like me spending a week to grab the DRK HW relic despite never playing the job.

[s32ialx]

It's definitely messed up that lower pop servers can't finish their phases due to low turnout. Doesn't have anything to do with being casual friendly though, it has to do with server pop. I was under the impression that casuals don't care about red alerts anyway.

I'll have to disagree most of the casuals are on those low pop servers that's why they are low pop because all the gung-ho mid-core and tryhards are on high pop servers because they want to grind grind grind and the more people the easier it is to grind, and the people who just want a calm relaxing time and do their tiktok videos and others things go on the low pop servers where it's not a rush and you don't feel pressured to catch up or be left behind. As a player whos been on Behemoth since 2015 I know how much FoMo being on high pop server causes cause people get things that are suppose to be hard to get in the first week of release and now you feel like you are missing out and that you suck because you can't compete with that. Example day 2 or 3 of early access of DT someone on Behemoth already had the squirrel mount from fate rewards with the Turali Bicolor Gemstone Vouchers. However on lower pop servers you don't feel the rush of having to catch up because you aren't sitting there watching all these tryhards no lifeing the content.

[s32ialx]

All I've heard is that red alerts are not a viable option to complete a relic because they only happen every 4 hours and a casual can't be expected to research their relic that way.
Granted I am unsure why people who don't gather and craft would want to grab a relic for it. It'd be like me spending a week to grab the DRK HW relic despite never playing the job.

the reason we want the rellics is because a (current) max level relic gives +35% bonus to Lunar Credits which is the Gashapon reward garbage that has the new space suit, new glasses, a new mount, some really nice Orch scrolls, lots of the new uncommon dyes, some furniture locked behind it and majority of the time all you get is prisms or other garbage that you don't want or need (like the furniture if you don't want it as it sells for pennies). Now I know you can say "just buy it off the MB" but not everyone has loads of gil to throw around even if they are all finally under a mill but that's still a lot of gil when you are also trying to save up for other things and could earn it with time instead of gil, if that Gashapon wasn't a total scam for the majority.

[Supersnow845]

I'll have to disagree most of the casuals are on those low pop servers that's why they are low pop because all the gung-ho mid-core and tryhards are on high pop servers because they want to grind grind grind and the more people the easier it is to grind, and the people who just want a calm relaxing time and do their tiktok videos and others things go on the low pop servers where it's not a rush and you don't feel pressured to catch up or be left behind. As a player whos been on Behemoth since 2015 I know how much FoMo being on high pop server causes cause people get things that are suppose to be hard to get in the first week of release and now you feel like you are missing out and that you suck because you can't compete with that. Example day 2 or 3 of early access of DT someone on Behemoth already had the squirrel mount from fate rewards with the Turali Bicolor Gemstone Vouchers. However on lower pop servers you don't feel the rush of having to catch up because you aren't sitting there watching all these tryhards no lifeing the content.

Why are you feeling pressured by your server population or even think server population translates to FOMO, with more people you are more likely to get someone who goes really hard on something, that doesn’t mean casual people migrate away from that. Even then why would you migrate away from a server because someone else got the squirrel mount really quickly

Like this logic genuinely makes no sense

the reason we want the rellics is because a (current) max level relic gives +35% bonus to Lunar Credits which is the Gashapon reward garbage that has the new space suit, new glasses, a new mount, some really nice Orch scrolls, lots of the new uncommon dyes, some furniture locked behind it and majority of the time all you get is prisms or other garbage that you don't want or need (like the furniture if you don't want it as it sells for pennies). Now I know you can say "just buy it off the MB" but not everyone has loads of gil to throw around even if they are all finally under a mill but that's still a lot of gil when you are also trying to save up for other things and could earn it with time instead of gil, if that Gashapon wasn't a total scam for the majority.

If you want the item not the content then it’s genuinely better to just do something that earns money and buy it than do the content itself. This is how it’s always worked

[hydralus]

I'll have to disagree most of the casuals are on those low pop servers that's why they are low pop because all the gung-ho mid-core and tryhards are on high pop servers because they want to grind grind grind and the more people the easier it is to grind, and the people who just want a calm relaxing time and do their tiktok videos and others things go on the low pop servers where it's not a rush and you don't feel pressured to catch up or be left behind. As a player whos been on Behemoth since 2015 I know how much FoMo being on high pop server causes cause people get things that are suppose to be hard to get in the first week of release and now you feel like you are missing out and that you suck because you can't compete with that. Example day 2 or 3 of early access of DT someone on Behemoth already had the squirrel mount from fate rewards with the Turali Bicolor Gemstone Vouchers. However on lower pop servers you don't feel the rush of having to catch up because you aren't sitting there watching all these tryhards no lifeing the content.

Judging by clear rate of savage raids Crystal is quite low as a population percentage, yet despite being filled with "casuals" they managed to complete the progress bars quite swiftly.

I also think, on a personal level, it's silly to feel like you're being left behind because you don't have a particular mount. Mounts don't do anything for you (aside from the cash shop mount that lets you ride a little faster). The relic crafting/gathering stuff doesn't do anything for you. You will not be locked out of MSQ because you're missing a mount or relic tool. What you will miss out on, is further steps in the relic tool, which still won't lock you out of any of the other crafting/gathering content that's out there. They even got rid of the Saint titles that they had with Ishgard restoration, which was really the only thing you'd never be able to accomplish once it was done. Whether you get a squirrel mount in 2 days or 2 years it really has no impact aside from the length of time it took you to personally acquire it.

If you on some level feel like you absolutely need the mount, then that is a personal problem. A self-inflicted wound. As stated, there are many many many casuals doing their thing on crystal who manage to not hop servers when they see people have things they don't have.

[hydralus]

the reason we want the rellics is because a (current) max level relic gives +35% bonus to Lunar Credits which is the Gashapon reward garbage that has the new space suit, new glasses, a new mount, some really nice Orch scrolls, lots of the new uncommon dyes, some furniture locked behind it and majority of the time all you get is prisms or other garbage that you don't want or need (like the furniture if you don't want it as it sells for pennies). Now I know you can say "just buy it off the MB" but not everyone has loads of gil to throw around even if they are all finally under a mill but that's still a lot of gil when you are also trying to save up for other things and could earn it with time instead of gil, if that Gashapon wasn't a total scam for the majority.

That's doing it the slowest way possible. The quick way would be to do a few hours gathering for essentially anything worth more than 700 gil a piece (should be able to get 1,400 of them casually within an hour), and voila after 2 hours you have all the gil you need to get every reward. No need for RNG. You could have gotten that in the time we've been spending chatting on the forums here and you've saved yourself ~6 hours of grinding out a relic and countless more of grinding currency.

The problem here is that rather than asking if there's a better way, for some reason you're dead set on saying it's an impossible expectation. Yet you think it's more reasonable that a person would spend hours grinding out a relic tool for the +35% gacha currency rather than just getting the gil. Ludicrous.

[s32ialx]

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WoW ya'll see one word 'mount' and run with it as if a single example is the only thing, like nothing else similar happens, like it's solely about the one specific mount. LOL.

other examples housing, that's exteme fomo because of how shit the bidding system is majority of house owners just have the house to have it not even an FC house and they only even go in it to not let someone else have it where 99.99999% of the rest of the time they never step foot in the door and just let it collect digital dust. there's many examples but because I used the squirrel mount as one you attach to that like there's no other possible ways of high pop fomo.

and to answer the FoMo of getting a mount is it makes you feel inadequate seeing that people are able to just breeze content in no time while you sit there struggling so being on a low pop server where it's all casuals feels less stresfull.

[s32ialx]

That's doing it the slowest way possible. The quick way would be to do a few hours gathering for essentially anything worth more than 700 gil a piece (should be able to get 1,400 of them casually within an hour), and voila after 2 hours you have all the gil you need to get every reward. No need for RNG. You could have gotten that in the time we've been spending chatting on the forums here and you've saved yourself ~6 hours of grinding out a relic and countless more of grinding currency.

The problem here is that rather than asking if there's a better way, for some reason you're dead set on saying it's an impossible expectation. Yet you think it's more reasonable that a person would spend hours grinding out a relic tool for the +35% gacha currency rather than just getting the gil. Ludicrous.

What you're telling me to do is don't help the progression of the CE and instead just go grind for gil because a casuals grind is pointless and all they should do is farm mats for others to make gil and just buy the rewards instead of trying to enjoy the new content themselves. GOT IT.