Cosmic Exploration is Bad

[Ekymus]

Obvious troll thread. Waste of time.
Get your next account ready, RMT sir.

You don't like my opinion, fine. Don't post a response to my thread.

But I stand by every word I typed. You don't like it, too bad, move on and go play more Cosmic Exploration, you don't have to ever reply to me again.

[Kaurhz]

I doubt it's as inviting/approachable as you make it out to be given all this talk about needing to commit millions of gil and hours of time to see a tiny amount of progress on anything and the constant risk of failure with nothing to show for it. With that much gil and time requirements, the only thing separating it from other hardcore content is that there's no body checks ...oh wait, if there's not enough people doing it, certain events will literally fail and nobody makes prog. (I'm sure folks on Dynamis and Materia are loving that part, and this time they don't even get the mercy of data center hopping.)

Personally I can't even access Cosmic Exploration, but after everything I'd read about it, I don't feel like I'm missing out, and I can dump it in with the rest of the content that's beyond my ability to do.

Alternatively, it isn't as unapproachable and uninviting as people make it out to be. Look, there are some issues, e.g., scaling points on levelling, which is as much to do with Ishgard Restoration than it is to do with Cosmic itself since they're woefully unbalanced. Or something like missions not resetting cordials. leading to unnecessary waiting around between gatherer missions, or that the progression events are not scaled well for lower pop servers, which it looks like Dynamis and Oceanic have progressed stage 3 now, so that was probably as much to do with how early they triggered than anything else, so it isn't a massively insurmountable task. But it being hardcore or uninviting is not one of those issues, you can literally still go in there, comfortably get relics, level your DoH/L and progress your server.

A lot of the problem, at least from DoH stems simply from the fact people feel as though they have to do everything, e.g., A-3 missions and to a gold standard. Doing A-3 recipes, and even to a gold standard should present a modicum of challenge, just as they should with gatherers as well, it's good that some of the missions show you at least how crafting and gathering act as a cohesive system. and some facets of that content presenting a challenge does not make it hardcore or unapproachable content as a whole. In that regard A-3 is no more different from the presence of expert recipes in Ishgard Restoration, and people were not up in arms about that, so I don't see why people should be up in arms about this.

The problem we have with DoH is simply for the past 8 years or so players have been far too reliant on macros and using other third party tools, so they haven't bothered learning the fundamentals of crafting, and that the moment they are presented with non-conventional recipes, that don't have a macro on day-1 their entirely perception just crumbles. If people spent half as much time reading their crafting abilities, or looking at a guide, as to what they did by simply copying/pasting macros from a guide and calling it a day, then the reality is that most of these players would at least consistently get gold on A-1 and A-2 recipes, even without needing go through the whole ordeal of decking out their gear with melds. I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive but certain problems are player-based and are not content-based, and if people spent some time to ask "What am I doing wrong here" or "How do you approach these recipes" and some time to read those replies then they would be sat there cruising by, by now.. Rather than calling it insurmountable content.

and the bigger irony is some of these recipes are not much harder at all than the Ceremonial gear, and are expert recipes akin to what people had done for the Dragonsung and Crystalline tools.

It's almost sad that our bar for something being hardcore is something that expects we play the game and not just copy and paste a macro, or zergfest a legendary node with all of our GP, and instead need to manage it a little.

[Gwenkatsu]

I played fisher to relax and enjoy the scenery. If you think it's great, good for you, go play it and don't reply to mine or any other post that doesn't like it. Replying would just take you away from the thing you seem to love and enjoy.

The irony is strong in this one. Maybe some enjoyable, good old fashioned round of fishing *outside* Cosmic Exploration Occult Crescent might be a thing to consider?

For the record: I still don't know what to make of CE. Went there once, did a bit of gathering (it sucked) and crafting (was ok), then lost interest, and left. I might return, or I might not, haven't set my mind up yet. But I do not run around, waving my little arms in the air, throwing temper tantrums at every person who does not agree.

Now my insult please, if you don't mind, my good sir

[Ekymus]

Yeah, my mistake. I should've figured it out the second time he called it occult crescent.

I mean I even tested it out myself. I took off 2 pieces of main gear and was still able to complete a C-rank with a gold rating despite failing to hook 4 fish. It's absurdly easy.

I'm glad you're already max level and have iLvl 900 or whatever b*llsh*t you're wearing. I'm trying to level up. I don't have the max level gear for level 100 yet because I'm not at level 100.

Maybe try reading AND comprehending. Or are the words I'm using too big with too many syllables?

[hydralus]

I'm glad you're already max level and have iLvl 900 or whatever b*llsh*t you're wearing. I'm trying to level up. I don't have the max level gear for level 100 yet because I'm not at level 100.

Maybe try reading AND comprehending. Or are the words I'm using too big with too many syllables?

Full level 97 fisher gear is 2870 gathering and 2339 perception, me with top/gloves off is 2404 gathering and 2906 perception. I'm able to easily complete rank C missions with a gold rating despite having a much lower gathering rate than you at level 97, AND I am doing level 100 missions. Even if the sync is completely messed up, you should be able to easily attain golds every time.
You are definitely doing something wrong.

[Ekymus]

Full level 97 fisher gear is 2870 gathering and 2339 perception, me with top/gloves off is 2404 gathering and 2906 perception. I'm able to easily complete rank C missions with a gold rating despite having a much lower gathering rate than you at level 97, AND I am doing level 100 missions. Even if the sync is completely messed up, you should be able to easily attain golds every time.
You are definitely doing something wrong.

"Blah blah blah, I'm full of myself and just want to put others down for not being hardcore players and have no life outside this game". That's what you sound like to me.

Your opinions are invalid at this point and there's nothing you can say that will convince me that Cosmic Explorations aren't the worst content in the game and the worst content created in years.

But I suspect you know this and that's why you're here. You'd rather do anything else than play Cosmic Explorations up to, and including, arguing with someone in a forum trying desperately to convince them that this sh*tty piece of content was actually good.

If it was even half as good as you and others have claimed it was, none of you would be here on these forums whining about people saying mean things about how sh*tty Cosmic Exploration is. You'd all be actually playing it.

[hydralus]

"Blah blah blah, I'm full of myself and just want to put others down for not being hardcore players and have no life outside this game". That's what you sound like to me.

Your opinions are invalid at this point and there's nothing you can say that will convince me that Cosmic Explorations aren't the worst content in the game and the worst content created in years.

But I suspect you know this and that's why you're here. You'd rather do anything else than play Cosmic Explorations up to, and including, arguing with someone in a forum trying desperately to convince them that this sh*tty piece of content was actually good.

If it was even half as good as you and others have claimed it was, none of you would be here on these forums whining about people saying mean things about how sh*tty Cosmic Exploration is. You'd all be actually playing it.

*thumbs up* k

[Kohashi]

And people wonder why devs never listen and read forums.. yikes

There are plenty of guides on how to gear up, how to level crafters and which stuff to craft for minimum effort and maximum efficiency. Many of them also give you a crafting rotation macro if you don't want to discover your own. What more do you want?

Doing your weeklies alone will not only provide you with levels but also with enough purple script to consistently gear up. If you add the class quests (class quests, crystarium, studium, wachu) you get TONS of purple scripts. enough to buy tome gear of your level. It might not be BiS but it's more than enough to get you started.
While the Class quests are a bit annoying to do because they are time consuming having to farm all the mats, however, you can find every single item and that you need for each, with all of the mats required listed. You can do a massive collect and do everything in 1 go if you wish.

[Kuroka]

I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive but certain problems are player-based and are not content-based, and if people spent some time to ask "What am I doing wrong here" or "How do you approach these recipes" and some time to read those replies then they would be sat there cruising by, by now.. Rather than calling it insurmountable content.

IDK its just not fun to do constantly the math and check back and forth to look if im hittin the numbers and doing the same 29 commands over and over again just to make some materials lol

I can solve em, but my desire to use some spreadsheets to calculate my every move AND watch the time is about 0.

The very least they should remove the timelimits.

[Anzaman]

The very least they should remove the timelimits.

Even when crafting with macros, some of the timers are so short that I get "1 minute remaining" -warning.