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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    If you genuinely think that all Playerscope does is scan Lodestone profiles, you're very confidently ignorant as to how it works.
    Never said as such but do try again. I have stated several times that PlayerScope merely combined into one what several mods already did. Please read any of my previous posts.

    The main point I am stating is that the "stalking" aspect of this and specifically the fact that it actively alerts the user of any name‐server changes/cross references their lodestone info is not NEW. Mods can also be used to pinpoint the exact location of a searched for user (long as they are on current server). Old mods, all of them. PlayerScope is just a cleaner all in one mod that released relatively recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Never said as such but do try again. I have stated several times that PlayerScope merely combined into one what several mods already did. Please read any of my previous posts.

    The main point I am stating is that the "stalking" aspect of this and specifically the fact that it actively alerts the user of any name changes/cross references their lodestone info is not NEW. Mods can also be used to pinpoint the exact location of a searched for user (long as they are on current server). Old mods, all of them. PlayerScope is just a cleaner all in one mod that released relatively recently.
    PlayerScope uses AccountIDs that are sent since the beginning of Dawntrail due to the implementation of the new Mute List and Blacklist system. This was not the case before DT released. Therefor PlayerScope utilizes all the AccountIDs that are sent in conjunction to the ContentIDs which makes them able to track all characters linked to one specific account. This is not really a secret and has been mentioned multiple times in different topics already. Also the patchnotes did state that AccountIDs are exposed:
    In accordance with measures introduced in Patch 7.2 to help prevent the identification of account IDs that are not displayed in-game, relevant saved client data has been reset.
    Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...358e341e4cc06d
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaBlaze-Cari View Post
    PlayerScope uses AccountIDs that are sent since the beginning of Dawntrail due to the implementation of the new Mute List and Blacklist system. This was not the case before DT released. Therefor PlayerScope utilizes all the AccountIDs that are sent in conjunction to the ContentIDs which makes them able to track all characters linked to one specific account. This is not really a secret and has been mentioned multiple times in different topics already. Also the patchnotes did state that AccountIDs are exposed:

    Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...358e341e4cc06d
    About that:
    It has been confirmed that this account ID modification is reversible and original account ID can be obtained from modified account ID using simple mathematical formula. Changes that were done by SE are ineffective. Additionally, plugins are still not mandatory for it and it can be done via packet sniffing as well.
    PlayerScope has been updated ages ago and are working exactly like it did in 7.1 with the exact same account ID tracking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaBlaze-Cari View Post
    PlayerScope uses AccountIDs that are sent since the beginning of Dawntrail due to the implementation of the new Mute List and Blacklist system. This was not the case before DT released. Therefor PlayerScope utilizes all the AccountIDs that are sent in conjunction to the ContentIDs which makes them able to track all characters linked to one specific account. This is not really a secret and has been mentioned multiple times in different topics already. Also the patchnotes did state that AccountIDs are exposed:

    Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...358e341e4cc06d
    Again for the reading impaired, the account IDs have always been available as mods existed long before that route to the lodestone info of accounts regardless of name/server change and update via mod, in real time. SE did not even deny it being available in their notice, only that they would try to add subterfuge to process via resetting client data etc.

    The fact of the matter is, SE has built an ecosystem of XIV around the account ID which interfaces with lodestone as well. Without upending the entire system, there is no way to resolve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Again for the reading impaired, the account IDs have always been available as mods existed long before that route to the lodestone info of accounts regardless of name/server change and update via mod, in real time. SE did not even deny it being available in their notice, only that they would try to add subterfuge to process via resetting client data etc.
    Again for the reading impaired. The AccountIDs of other players have never been sent to clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaBlaze-Cari View Post
    Again for the reading impaired. The AccountIDs of other players have never been sent to clients.
    Mods have accessed this info regardless. This isn't new with Dawntrail, whoever says that is lying to you. Again PlayerTrack existed years ago, look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Mods have accessed this info regardless. This isn't new with Dawntrail, whoever says that is lying to you. Again PlayerTrack existed years ago, look it up.
    Lodestone ID is not your Account ID tho. So what's your point? All I see are poor excuses that can be dismantled within mere seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MiaBlaze-Cari View Post
    Lodestone ID is not your Account ID tho. So what's your point? All I see are poor excuses that can be dismantled within mere seconds.
    Your account ID is irrevocably linked to your lodestone ID. Even IF the client did not store your account ID directly (the mod libraries support storing information) or wasn't the exact same number, it's all moot as long as lodestone exists in it's current form. The mods are working NOT because the account ID is stored or not on the client. The mods are working because lodestone stores that information somehow and it is able to cross reference in real-time. Your lodestone ID or whatever the "hook" is doesn't change. This is why when you change your name it still syncs up to the url of your lodestone page.

    They can mask the account ID a thousand times, and the mods will still work. They can change account ID and the lodestone ID and the mods still "work" but will take alil longer (long as the name remains the same at that point). The only way to truly delink and disenfranchise a potential "stalker" here would be a three way scramble of account, lodestone AND character name. Possible for probably individual help desk tickets but no way is this happening on a broader scale. If even one of those is not done in that overton window, you will still get tracked.

    The nuance of how it works is irrelevant though. The ultimate point is that outlawing/taking down PlayerScope alone is pointless to a persistent stalker. There are mods still supported that do all of the same features. And SE can't really solve the problem without a massive rework to how the game, website, apps work and I for one highly doubt you would get such a revamp from any company.

    You'd have better luck blocking whatever files apps like Dalamud hook to, but those share similar files to the apps/plugins that cosmetic mods are based off of and the moment you kill that SE will lose a sizeable amount of players they know use them.
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    Last edited by Havenchild; 04-24-2025 at 04:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havenchild View Post
    Again for the reading impaired
    It’s curious how rudeness so often goes with ignorance. A bit of self awareness won’t be a bad thing to try here.
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