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  1. #10931
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    One fix all healers need is more potency on their attacks.... But for other things...

    I think fixing WHM doesn't really need all that many new additions...
    Just make Sacred Sight (and by extension Glare 4) work like BRD's Hawk's Eye... That every time you cast a spell, you have a % chance to get to use a Glare 4, maybe even introduce the mechanic at a way earlier level by replacing Freecure.
    Make Presence of Mind into a raidwide buff, and add an attack that spends Lilies (Can easily use Seraph Strike from PvP for that).

    SGE, give them a raidwide buff that gives Direct Hit chance.

    AST, make Lady of Crowns be an attack instead of essentially doing nothing and other cards could be made to always usable, because stuff like 10% more overhealing is so amazing.


    For SCH, Seraphism probably should be replaced as it's completely out of place on SCH.
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  2. #10932
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    Chrono Cross
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    Golem
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Also, I've been known to be kinda stupid at times so that one won't work on me
    That got me. Brother, every day that I wake up and leave my warm happy bed, I feel stupid.

    (And yes, the fairy should auto-summon, as should the Carbuncle. Make it a toggle for those who feel the act of summoning makes you a summoner.)
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  3. #10933
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    Lucaon Soho
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    Odin
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Qyoon View Post
    Concidering the way the game is going this is actually the best solution.
    Turn all healers into DPS with a proper gameplay.
    Give everybody selfsustain by adding passive heals to some combos last hit.
    Et voila problem solved, they don't like healers anyway.
    This is probably one of the main reasons why devs look at this thread and go like " yeah never mind!"
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  4. #10934
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    Alice_Rivers's Avatar
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    Alice Rivers
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    Omega
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    This is probably one of the main reasons why devs look at this thread and go like " yeah never mind!"
    Why? It's not like they communicate in any way, shape or form that they desire to have healers in the game, indeed their every *action* screams otherwise.
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  5. #10935
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I mean when the devs don’t communicate at all it’s easy to imagine any reason is the reason they don’t communicate
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #10936
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    Quote Originally Posted by klu View Post
    You're not wrong. It's clear from the forums general vibe that while they can tell an entertaining story, the devs seriously do not know and do not care to know how to balance the healers.

    But that's really no different from every MMO for the last 25 years. There is always some voice loudly insisting that their specific niche of the game is so woefully underdeveloped that the people in charge of that aspect must have all been recruited from a Pizza Hutt dumpster raiding party.

    And that 25 year thing, that's important for the context. Honestly.

    We have been having these same, repetitive discussions for twenty *years* across enough electronic landscape to stretch to the moon, and yet some people really don't get tired of going back in for another whiff of that stale air.

    I'm not trying to say discussions shouldn't happen, but my god man. Read the room. Drop your thought and let it be. If one thousand page megathread or a thousand three comment "I'm special too" threads on a subject are all being soundly ignored (in your opinion) then continuing to whine into a vacuum with no audience just makes you look stupid.

    And you're not stupid, right?
    I understand what you are saying. I really do. Yet, I feel that giving up and going silent is worse.

    Our audience is ourselves too. We are sharing our combined experiences and thoughts; and by doing so, remaining a community.

    A MMO ignores its community at its own peril. It affects their bottom line. Many developers thought they knew better than their players. Their failed games litter the landscape.
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  7. #10937
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I mean when the devs don’t communicate at all it’s easy to imagine any reason is the reason they don’t communicate
    It's not entirely true to say they don't communicate though, they communicate through the action of endless buffs to tanks and content that does no damage, that communication is crystal clear. They just don't communicate with words.
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  8. #10938
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ellona_Andrivari View Post
    I am super curious what you think can be trimmed from what class. Elaborate on this for me would you? What changes if tomorrow you woke up and you were put in charge of a rework for the entire healer cadre?
    Basically, what Supersnow wrote.

    Why do we have GCD heals/mits, OGD heals/mits which rely on a generated resource, and instant heals/mits on their own CDs, all doing the same thing?

    It seems so unnecessary. We don't need full action bars.
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  9. #10939
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Miohazuki View Post
    You must be new here .they only read japanese part of forum for feedback and stuff
    I feel like it’s pointless trying to find out where do they even pick up the feedbacks when even their part of the forum also sometimes bore comments like “they only listen to NA!!”. Externals like 2chan? Don’t even have to try lol.

    If that isn’t enough, any changes they brought in are easily dubbed as ‘community’s feedback’—WHICH?? Oh yeah nobody knows. For all we’ve known, it could’ve been some intern who had a complaint then they actually start sifting the any forum posts to look for that one comment with less than 2 upvotes but scapegoats it anyway by labeling “this is what you all want!” like they’ve implied when they got rid of VPR’s Noxious Gas even when there are other suggestions with 70+ more upvotes. Oh joy!
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  10. #10940
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    “Community feedback” just seems like ‘let’s do whatever we want then when asked trawl through the forums retroactively until we can find anything that justifies the decision we were already going to make anyway”

    Assuming that 4 upvote JP post is what was the basis of the noxious change there is zero chance you could have read that thread and not seen that that post was overwhelmingly unpopular even by JP “talk around the problem” customs
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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