M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

[ShadowNyx3]

Also sure flex cretivity but this isn't fun in PF. They need to be realistic about what a group of randoms can do with different skill levels. Being walled for a week because some random dps can't do damage isn't fun and kills good players love of the game

I don't see why they have to limit themselves so. What entitles you to be able to clear the fight with minimal gear without putting in the necessary teamwork with other human players? You are essentially saying that savage content should not allow my group to experience the joy we felt clearing this fight on day 1 after working together to maximize our damage during the adds phase.

If you want to be able to join any old party and clear without communication, just give it a few more weeks. The Gimme Cats and Jabberwocks melt when your party has any semblance of gear. But if you want to get clears now, either continue rolling the dice, or actually stick with good players you meet in PF and keep filling in slots til your party is good enough to clear.

[missTori]

I haven't raided since SHB so my opinion probably means nothing, but i bet people are having trouble targeting adds because targeting in this game is so ass. I'm on pc so sometimes i have to manually click the add to target it. It's worse for those who use controller since for some reason the game targets stuff miles away.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[...]P.S. Just want to add that I'm all for interesting mechanics and hard dps checks. I love the tuning of M5s and think FRU should have had a harder dps check but this isn't doable with 8 people with 0 communication and various skill levels.

Ngl, that sounded like people of similar interests wanting to treat other players in their PF like their pseudo trust NPCs. That's largely the reason I stopped PF'ing long ago.

Seems like warming the bench or only filling for friends has been a good decision for me after all.

[Jeeqbit]

All I can say about AoE is that through the years, I've seen enemies die painfully slowly in dungeons, then switched to a DPS myself and obliterated them in mere moments. Never understood it, but the rotations have got more intuitive to understand so you'd think it would at least be a bit better now.

I haven't raided since SHB so my opinion probably means nothing, but i bet people are having trouble targeting adds because targeting in this game is so ass. I'm on pc so sometimes i have to manually click the add to target it. It's worse for those who use controller since for some reason the game targets stuff miles away.

I haven't done M6S but I can say in M7 normal, picking out the one add that is casting something different to then press an interrupt that just barely goes off before the end of the cast due to the slow ability processing in the game is not the most fun thing. But at least they are trying things.

[Kohashi]

I haven't raided since SHB so my opinion probably means nothing, but i bet people are having trouble targeting adds because targeting in this game is so ass. I'm on pc so sometimes i have to manually click the add to target it. It's worse for those who use controller since for some reason the game targets stuff miles away.

The word you are looking for is Enmity list. I do agree the targetting and cycling though adds is ass in this game.

[Hanzz96]

I don't see why they have to limit themselves so. What entitles you to be able to clear the fight with minimal gear without putting in the necessary teamwork with other human players? You are essentially saying that savage content should not allow my group to experience the joy we felt clearing this fight on day 1 after working together to maximize our damage during the adds phase.

If you want to be able to join any old party and clear without communication, just give it a few more weeks. The Gimme Cats and Jabberwocks melt when your party has any semblance of gear. But if you want to get clears now, either continue rolling the dice, or actually stick with good players you meet in PF and keep filling in slots til your party is good enough to clear.

What I'm saying is the joy you felt is once again only for statics and it feels like SE only want people to raid in statics. Why I'm frustrated is because I'm clean on the figh, I have the gear and do my part but 7 others don't and it's maddening being gated. The fight doesn't feel made for PF at all very similar to how TOP felt.

[Kohashi]

What I'm saying is the joy you felt is once again only for statics and it feels like SE only want people to raid in statics. Why I'm frustrated is because I'm clean on the figh, I have the gear and do my part but 7 others don't and it's maddening being gated. The fight doesn't feel made for PF at all very similar to how TOP felt.

Neeah, people were crying about easy fights, so SE provided difficult fights.

[Arohk]

The word you are looking for is Enmity list. I do agree the targetting and cycling though adds is ass in this game.

Add fights are total crap because of the broken tab targeting that always gives you the wrong target when you push tab, dont know how this works on a controller, when you cant even click on enemies.

[Hastatus]

The pre-add portion of M6S puts me to sleep. Then I have to wake up for a minute and repeat. Apart from Double Style to a very small degree everything feels so monotonously repetitive as a DPS...I'm sure Tanks and Healers are more engaged. I wish Bridge Phase and Desert Phase would randomly interchange: this should be a requirement when a fight's hardest skill/gear check is mid-fight. I'm planning on reducing the frequency of my attempts. I'll try it once or twice a week to see if new pieces of gear (if I ever win any from M5S) improves things and then go back to doing anything else. I hadn't planned to farm the EX fights this expansion but M6S made me want to go and farm EX4 for a weapon. There's no in game way to measure people's experience in a fight so PF just feels like a lootbox battle: you hope you role seven decent enough players. I was so bored with the first part of M6S that last weekend I decided to go revive random people 250 times in Bozja to get the Guardian Angel achievement and I'm not really a healer. Watching other people die to chocobos is way more fun though. Not sure what I'll try to do this weekend to avoid M6S but I'm sure I'll find something.

[Volgia]

M6S has a really powerful savage vibe to it. I mean, it's been a while since a fight demanded every single role to do something specific, if you're a weak tank at positioning, you'll wipe at Yan enraging, if you're a weak healer at resource management, the OT will die, if you're a weak DPS, everything will enrage. It's my favorite fight for a long while.