M6s in PF is the most miserable and unfun high end fight in the game

[ShadowNyx3]

Please Square when considering fight design think of the average PF player since not everyone can static.

No. The developers should be encouraged to try different things and flex their creativity in a game that has been so stale for so long.


FYI, M7S and M8S won't be that much better in PF. The tier is hard and players need to be taught the lesson that working together and sticking it out is a more positive experience for everyone than disbanding after three wipes and not speaking to one another and just expecting everyone to all be on the same page immediately. My personal experiences in Chaotic Alliance with parties that actually communicated responsibilities and stuck together after a few wipes were so much more productive than parties where players assumed responsibilities of other people and then left party when there was a wipe due to confusion. If you can't find people who're willing to identify the issues causing wipes to adds and communicate them so that they can be fixed, then that's on the players, not the developers.

[Hanzz96]

No. The developers should be encouraged to try different things and flex their creativity in a game that has been so stale for so long.


FYI, M7S and M8S won't be that much better in PF. The tier is hard and players need to be taught the lesson that working together and sticking it out is a more positive experience for everyone than disbanding after three wipes and not speaking to one another and just expecting everyone to all be on the same page immediately. My personal experiences in Chaotic Alliance with parties that actually communicated responsibilities and stuck together after a few wipes were so much more productive than parties where players assumed responsibilities of other people and then left party when there was a wipe due to confusion. If you can't find people who're willing to identify the issues causing wipes to adds and communicate them so that they can be fixed, then that's on the players, not the developers.

The problem is PF players aren't going to learn that lesson. The average PF player who hardly scraped through M5s think they're much better than they are and that when adds wipes happen because they themselves don't know their kit that everyone else is to blame. This leads to 3 pulls and "tyfp" then they go trap someone else

[Hanzz96]

No. The developers should be encouraged to try different things and flex their creativity in a game that has been so stale for so long.


FYI, M7S and M8S won't be that much better in PF. The tier is hard and players need to be taught the lesson that working together and sticking it out is a more positive experience for everyone than disbanding after three wipes and not speaking to one another and just expecting everyone to all be on the same page immediately. My personal experiences in Chaotic Alliance with parties that actually communicated responsibilities and stuck together after a few wipes were so much more productive than parties where players assumed responsibilities of other people and then left party when there was a wipe due to confusion. If you can't find people who're willing to identify the issues causing wipes to adds and communicate them so that they can be fixed, then that's on the players, not the developers.

Also sure flex cretivity but this isn't fun in PF. They need to be realistic about what a group of randoms can do with different skill levels. Being walled for a week because some random dps can't do damage isn't fun and kills good players love of the game

[ShadowNyx3]

Also sure flex cretivity but this isn't fun in PF. They need to be realistic about what a group of randoms can do with different skill levels. Being walled for a week because some random dps can't do damage isn't fun and kills good players love of the game

I don't see why they have to limit themselves so. What entitles you to be able to clear the fight with minimal gear without putting in the necessary teamwork with other human players? You are essentially saying that savage content should not allow my group to experience the joy we felt clearing this fight on day 1 after working together to maximize our damage during the adds phase.

If you want to be able to join any old party and clear without communication, just give it a few more weeks. The Gimme Cats and Jabberwocks melt when your party has any semblance of gear. But if you want to get clears now, either continue rolling the dice, or actually stick with good players you meet in PF and keep filling in slots til your party is good enough to clear.

[Hanzz96]

I don't see why they have to limit themselves so. What entitles you to be able to clear the fight with minimal gear without putting in the necessary teamwork with other human players? You are essentially saying that savage content should not allow my group to experience the joy we felt clearing this fight on day 1 after working together to maximize our damage during the adds phase.

If you want to be able to join any old party and clear without communication, just give it a few more weeks. The Gimme Cats and Jabberwocks melt when your party has any semblance of gear. But if you want to get clears now, either continue rolling the dice, or actually stick with good players you meet in PF and keep filling in slots til your party is good enough to clear.

What I'm saying is the joy you felt is once again only for statics and it feels like SE only want people to raid in statics. Why I'm frustrated is because I'm clean on the figh, I have the gear and do my part but 7 others don't and it's maddening being gated. The fight doesn't feel made for PF at all very similar to how TOP felt.

[Kohashi]

What I'm saying is the joy you felt is once again only for statics and it feels like SE only want people to raid in statics. Why I'm frustrated is because I'm clean on the figh, I have the gear and do my part but 7 others don't and it's maddening being gated. The fight doesn't feel made for PF at all very similar to how TOP felt.

Neeah, people were crying about easy fights, so SE provided difficult fights.