Reintroduce Goring blade it as a combo

[Arohk]

No thx, it is good as it is now, dont need more skill bloat.

[Rithy255]

No thx, it is good as it is now, dont need more skill bloat.

Go play gunbreaker or drk then, if you really enjoy 1, 2, 3. It's also not "skill bloat" to rework a existing skill.

Sorry but I don't want goring blade to remain a 60s burst button that doesn't interact with PLD's kit in anyway, we already have 4 60s burst buttons why do we even need goring blade?

[Arohk]

Go play gunbreaker or drk then, if you really enjoy 1, 2, 3. It's also not "skill bloat" to rework a existing skill.

Sorry but I don't want goring blade to remain a 60s burst button that doesn't interact with PLD's kit in anyway, we already have 4 60s burst buttons why do we even need goring blade?

they can add more skills, but not more bloat to the hotbar, reduce the button bloat, then we can talk about adding more stuff.

[Rithy255]

they can add more skills, but not more bloat to the hotbar, reduce the button bloat, then we can talk about adding more stuff.

Bloat removed is easy on Paladin.

• Low Blow / Interject - merged so it does a stun, but if target cannot be stunned it will instead interrupt them (this applies to all tanks)
• Holy spirit - Now upgrades into Holy circle, holy circle is a cleave AOE attack like confiteor that does less on the rest of the enemies.
• Shield Bash - Removed (Unless they do something interesting with this skill)
• Intervention removed - Paladin can now target a player with holy sheltron (small recast like oblation so you can double target still)
• Fight or flight - upgrades into req, that upgrades into Imperator we don't need two burst buff skills.

5 Skills removed without changing the core of Paladin, I could likely go over more, but I'd love to see 5 skills gone for rotational and cool gameplay abilities paladin can get instead, the job is being held down by abilities that aren't even needed.

[Arohk]

Bloat removed is easy on Paladin.

• Low Blow / Interject - merged so it does a stun, but if target cannot be stunned it will instead interrupt them (this applies to all tanks)
• Holy spirit - Now upgrades into Holy circle, holy circle is a cleave AOE attack like confiteor that does less on the rest of the enemies.
• Shield Bash - Removed (Unless they do something interesting with this skill)
• Intervention removed - Paladin can now target a player with holy sheltron (small recast like oblation so you can double target still)
• Fight or flight - upgrades into req, that upgrades into Imperator we don't need two burst buff skills.

5 Skills removed without changing the core of Paladin, I could likely go over more, but I'd love to see 5 skills gone for rotational and cool gameplay abilities paladin can get instead, the job is being held down by abilities that aren't even needed.

hey, you seem to undestand my point pretty well.

[Rithy255]

hey, you seem to undestand my point pretty well.

Don't know if that was sarcastic or not but either way it's just my opinion on what should be changed, though I still want a alternative combo path as I enjoyed having one in older versions of paladin. (though it doesn't need to be a strict DOT)

I want jobs to feel important and fun, we have many ways of reducing hotbar bloat though, theirs so much skills that are redundant if that is what you mean by removing bloat then yes I agree I think skills that don't necessarily serve a proper purpose or can easily be put into another skill (like cleave holy circle or sheltron being able to target allies so we don't need intervention) now we got rooms for things to actually make the rotation feel more fun and ways to actually add abilities through expansions.

[Misdes]

Honestly I'll be happy with just about any change to Goring Blade to take it off a 60s timer. As it stands it makes PLD and GNB feel far too similar outside of burst windows.
My dream is to just get the old DoT back...

[Carighan]

Honestly I'll be happy with just about any change to Goring Blade to take it off a 60s timer. As it stands it makes PLD and GNB feel far too similar outside of burst windows.
My dream is to just get the old DoT back...

Eh it's not like Paladin has too few buttons, quite the opposite. Hence having Goring Blade be able to be pressed more often isn't really helpful, although it wouldn't be a problem either I suppose. The biggest question is whether it shouldn't just be removed without replacement. Because again, plenty buttons already, see the commenter above who recommends a lot of folding/removing skills, and I fully agree with that!

[Rithy255]

Eh it's not like Paladin has too few buttons, quite the opposite. Hence having Goring Blade be able to be pressed more often isn't really helpful, although it wouldn't be a problem either I suppose. The biggest question is whether it shouldn't just be removed without replacement. Because again, plenty buttons already, see the commenter above who recommends a lot of folding/removing skills, and I fully agree with that!

Paladins issue is that it has few too actual buttons, along with other tanks, compared to DPS rotations are slower, theirs way less buttons and because every tank is a Super Tank they don't really have to manage defensives that well outside of anything that isn't Savage+ So you have the gameplay loop of a DPS who's slow.

Goring blade and more combo actions (like a melee DPS) is exactly what tanks need to have rotational varity, PLD is slower then DRK/GNB but had more actual GCD buttons and complexity for this reason, now Paladin is a super slow bland job with a bland rotation.

Why can't we remove Actual Bloat skills Like Shield Bash, having magic AOE/single targets not be separate, Having both intervention and holy sheltron, Having a bunch of defensives that all do the same thing, Theirs so many examples of actual bloat, a GCD skill to manage is not "bloat" it's actual gameplay.

Tanks (and healers) as I see it need to be reworked from the ground up, but Lets not pretend we have damage button bloat, the actual issue is those serval skills that all serve the same purpose or outdated mess skills like shield bash, that only get justified because some guy will cry about deep dungeon paladins.

Meaningful GCD skills need to be added, goring blade should be reverted to a gcd rotational button as paladins rotation is very bland, Though a larger rework that adds depth and complexity is more or less needed for every tank, even some procs and RNG would be great.