BLM Changes Are Fantastic. The timers were so annoying. Thanks FFXIV team ! :)

[Wayfinder3]

Nobody denied that there is people that enjoyed the changes. It was the fact that the other person went straight to “the complaints are a vocal minority if you go in game you’ll see most people enjoy it”.

Like that’s purely a vibe based check. There is like and dislike around it. When I said check the listening posts I don’t mean I’ve gotten high on my own supply reading my own posts and acting like I’m an arbiter of the forums who dictates popular opinion, I mean the other listening posts. You can ignore me

I mean again, it’s purely vibe check based but then so is your frustration here, again the amount of people that come here screeching about the classes changes is likely not even 10% of the player base that would consider themselves affected by the change. If SE changed everything every time someone on the forums yelled loud enough, the game would fall apart

[Supersnow845]

I mean again, it’s purely vibe check based but then so is your frustration here, again the amount of people that come here screeching about the classes changes is likely not even 10% of the player base that would consider themselves affected by the change. If SE changed everything every time someone on the forums yelled loud enough, the game would fall apart

That’s why I said check the listening postS (emphasis on plurality). The game would fall apart if every suggestion on the forums was taken on board but you cannot tell me that there was any extensive sentiment being pro these changes in EN or JP before they were implemented and this was anything besides square continuing their endless “if a class is less popular then rework it and then rework the class that became less popular because people meta chased the last classes reworked”

Like even the JP listening posts didn’t want this prior to the change. Opinions have swung around some but you shouldn’t implement a change few people wanted and then retroactively use some positive responses to it to justify it

I mean even a vast majority of the after change feedback was full of people going “I didn’t play it before but now it doesn’t feel so scary”, so that shows they didn’t really have skin in the game for the design of BLM and if they only tried it because they don’t find it daunting anymore how long are they going to stick with it? Will these people dump it in 7.3 when they buff PCT again

[Aysin]

I mean again, it’s purely vibe check based but then so is your frustration here, again the amount of people that come here screeching about the classes changes is likely not even 10% of the player base that would consider themselves affected by the change. If SE changed everything every time someone on the forums yelled loud enough, the game would fall apart

I don't understand, so if people come into the forums to voice their discontent it should be ignored because in your opinion it isn't the majority of the player base? Even though there is no way to gauge the voice of the entire player base, and a lot of these discussions are based on group discussions in what you called "bubbles" that are purely "vibes". The concept of the silent customer is foreign to you it seems, you know the ones who have an opinion but don't voice it in this case it's not there for people to see on an open platform. There are plenty who dislike the change but continue to play the class because that's what they want, and there are also plenty who switched without saying anything.

I read some of the other language forums, and looked into the discussion on discord, this is not a popular change to existing BLM players, and people are only still playing it because it's strong. There a far fewer people who saw the changes and decided to actually engage to BLM after changes, and for the most part it doesn't seem like they are ready to commit to it entirely. Those are perspectives from my "bubbles".

JP forum is the only place where I kind of see a very even split of people liking and disliking some or all the changes. But if you use them as the standard, is 50% success a good thing?

No matter how you discuss this topic everyone is sharing their points from their own personal "vibes" and "bubbles" because there is no way to gauge "everyone's" feedback, not even SE can do that. The only thing we can do is share our experiences.