real problem with new SMN design, not difficulty it is actually WORSE class fantasy

[Rithy255]

I haven't played many other ff games.

To me before ff14 I felt like a "summoner" would summon something to fight alongside them, with new summoner where people say "feels like your actually summoning things" I feel disconnect because I really don't feel like I'm summoning anything I press a button big summon on screen then goes off after like one attack, Really doesn't feel like a summoner to me... even dark knight feels like it's "summoning more then a summoner" as you summon the shadows to fight with you and it lasts more then 4 seconds.

Though to me theirs serval issues with summoners design, gameplay being the core issue if it's boring I usually don't play a job no matter how appealing it's "fantasy" is, I dislike how little it casts for a magic job but I also dislike how little i have to even think about rotation, nothing about the job appeals to me in its current form.

[AmiableApkallu]

with new summoner where people say "feels like your actually summoning things" I feel disconnect because I really don't feel like I'm summoning anything I press a button big summon on screen then goes off after like one attack

Yet, that's exactly how "summoning" worked in FFIV and FFVI, so it's not without precedent in the franchise.

The problem is that for that model to work in FFXIV, you probably need 10+ summons with varying characteristics and costs. "Push button to deal damage with a different color" doesn't quite carry the same weight.

[Rithy255]

Yet, that's exactly how "summoning" worked in FFIV and FFVI, so it's not without precedent in the franchise.

The problem is that for that model to work in FFXIV, you probably need 10+ summons with varying characteristics and costs. "Push button to deal damage with a different color" doesn't quite carry the same weight.

I much prefer summons actually lasting personally It doesn't need to be a full on pet job (i don't mind that) but surely theirs a interesting design that isn't just "titan appears on screen and goes away"

[Supersnow845]

Yet, that's exactly how "summoning" worked in FFIV and FFVI, so it's not without precedent in the franchise.

The problem is that for that model to work in FFXIV, you probably need 10+ summons with varying characteristics and costs. "Push button to deal damage with a different color" doesn't quite carry the same weight.

Though old SMN functions similar to 10, 11 and 12. A near permanent summon that stayed on the field and offered you advantage (outside of it replacing your party)

Who’s “SMN” is correct

[Rithy255]

Though old SMN functions similar to 10, 11 and 12. A near permanent summon that stayed on the field and offered you advantage (outside of it replacing your party)

Who’s “SMN” is correct

To me a summoner like that is way more fitting thematically, instead of just summoning something to appear for 2 seconds and do a attack then go.