Black mage changes are probably my breaking point with this game

[HikariKurosawa]

So theirs a wacky opener? cool I guess, something to remember then never have to really change on the fly. Theirs slight opener Optimization, if this is complicated with a lot of nuance to you, then I dread to know what's a normal standard easy job.

What I personally enjoyed about black mage wasn't anything to do with opener's or actual rotation it was Movement Optimization, things like triple cast being a damage gain but also a mobility tool had some interesting conflicts, it also made learning fights on black mage a lot different to any other job, I loved the longer cast times because it actually felt like I was casting powerful spells instead of small fire spells, which itself played into fights well because black mage was all about using your mobility tools at the right time.

I don't care that much that astral fire timer is gone, I mean I'd prefer to have it but I would still enjoy the job, You don't exactly know my reasons for liking black mage over then assuming reddit made me want to cry about it on the forums or something.

Though I can think for myself I don't always just agree with standard forum or reddit opinions, I just don't tend to be condescending about it I don't see any reason to look down on different opinions. Maybe just maybe one day you will understand people like different aspects about the game and it's naive to act like some sort of gospel for the silent majority.

So what you liked about BLM was a whacky gimmick?

[Rithy255]

So what you liked about BLM was a whacky gimmick?

If you consider movement optimization a "wacky gimmick" then yes.

Couldn't come up with a better response then that just shows your not actually serious about anything you say.

[HikariKurosawa]

If you consider movement optimization a "wacky gimmick" then yes.

Couldn't come up with a better response then that just shows your not actually serious about anything you say.

Just can't be bothered to engage with your opinionated nonsense on a deeper level than that. Black mage is still about all the things you like it for, it's just less punishing. You're still punished with a worse dps output for not using mobility tools correctly, you just get punished less.

[Rithy255]

Just can't be bothered to engage with your opinionated nonsense on a deeper level than that. Black mage is still about all the things you like it for, it's just less punishing. You're still punished with a worse dps output for not using mobility tools correctly, you just get punished less.

I'm pretty sure your just trolling at this point enjoy annoying someone else with bad takes thanks! have a nice day.

[HikariKurosawa]

I'm pretty sure your just trolling at this point enjoy annoying someone else with bad takes thanks! have a nice day.

So I am trolling because I'm not making posts that suit your narrative?

The magnitude of the punishes on playing BLM and managing movement have been decreased, but the punishment is still the same frequency. It's just at a reasonable level now instead of making the job a mistake to bring the person along for content. It doesn't influence the entire group as much anymore. It's like bringing any other dps that fails to keep their GCD rolling or misaligns their cooldowns through late use.

Don't call someone a troll just because they think you have a bad perspective. That's immature and weak.

[RulerOfPotaoes]

You are required to agree with the very small but very loud minority, that is the official forum dwellers.

For you see. If you have an opinion that's not in line with their views, then you are just "trolling".

On topic to have you have been saying: Yes I do think the job is more or less the same, but ofc less punishing to play. A few tweaks could be done, but it is *nowhere* near as bad as ppl here are claiming. And then they wonder why devs dont take their feedback seriously.

[HikariKurosawa]

You are required to agree with the very small but very loud minority, that is the official forum dwellers.

For you see. If you have an opinion that's not in line with their views, then you are just "trolling".

On topic to have you have been saying: Yes I do think the job is more or less the same, but ofc less punishing to play. A few tweaks could be done, but it is *nowhere* near as bad as ppl here are claiming. And then they wonder why devs dont take their feedback seriously.

Ya it's pretty annoying people do that in gaming discourse. Very resistant to change, very prone to knee-jerk reactions, and anyone who disagrees is trolling or has an invalid opinion. Even the arguments just boil down to "I liked it the way it was, I was able to do it fine, so it's fine and there was no reason to change it." Obviously there was a very compelling reason to change it, and obviously they understand this too. Just a strong and strange sense of entitlement I guess.

[Supersnow845]

Ya it's pretty annoying people do that in gaming discourse. Very resistant to change, very prone to knee-jerk reactions, and anyone who disagrees is trolling or has an invalid opinion. Even the arguments just boil down to "I liked it the way it was, I was able to do it fine, so it's fine and there was no reason to change it." Obviously there was a very compelling reason to change it, and obviously they understand this too. Just a strong and strange sense of entitlement I guess.

Your entire argument boils down to any change that simplifies is good and when people push back against your opinion you just spout pointless “capitalism” “majority says otherwise” and other vapid nonsense. If changes towards the simple are always good why is SMN so unpopular again? Why can’t they make MNK popular? All they do is simplify and it just temporarily draws people from other classes. Like BLM’s rise has basically pulled directly from PCT’s numbers. What benefit is there to the overall community. If you like the changes then fine, but don’t act like you are the grand arbiter of general community sentiment. Just because the devs change something doesn’t mean it’s good by default especially when they get it wrong so often

Even this comment you haven’t said anything about why there was a compelling reason to change it. The devs say so is meaningless as they get things wrong all the time

[HikariKurosawa]

Your entire argument boils down to any change that simplifies is good and when people push back against your opinion you just spout pointless “capitalism” “majority says otherwise” and other vapid nonsense. If changes towards the simple are always good why is SMN so unpopular again? Why can’t they make MNK popular? All they do is simplify and it just temporarily draws people from other classes. Like BLM’s rise has basically pulled directly from PCT’s numbers. What benefit is there to the overall community. If you like the changes then fine, but don’t act like you are the grand arbiter of general community sentiment. Just because the devs change something doesn’t mean it’s good by default especially when they get it wrong so often

Even this comment you haven’t said anything about why there was a compelling reason to change it. The devs say so is meaningless as they get things wrong all the time

Pretty simple, the job was overly punishing in magnitude compared to other jobs and wasn't able to keep up with the fight design unless you played the job in ways that went against the intended design of the rotation. It was the sole outlier in the game and now it's not.

[Supersnow845]

Pretty simple, the job was overly punishing in magnitude compared to other jobs and wasn't able to keep up with the fight design unless you played the job in ways that went against the intended design of the rotation. It was the sole outlier in the game and now it's not.

Three things

1) before 7.2 RDM and SCH were less mobile than BLM
2) in the same patch as this apparent “outlier” was fixed they made PCT LESS mobile by nuking its hammer combo to the point it’s less mobile now than BLM was in 7.1
3) your idea of “intended rotation” is entirely personal. To me the “intended” idea behind BLM is to use all your tools as you need them. Spamming a rigid standard rotation is the melee’s thing

So this decision has no internal logic, no continuity with the changes made to the other classes, SCH is still the least mobile job in the game and RDM is still dropping melee combos to not kill everyone.

Not to mention if you feel like you were constrained by BLM’s design then play SMN. All classes shouldn’t be equally accessible to the lowest common denominator simply because they want them because it leaves no room for people who want to optimise