Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[lunartears]

Adding onto the lip discussion (though this is more of an oversight on my part): I came to the conclusion today that the majority of my problems with the mouth changes are due to the colour change rather than the shape change (though this does not mean the shape change hasn't affected me).

I was thinking about the lip gloss conversation from a few months ago and decided to go through the colours in the CC to see how other colours appear because on my character the lip gloss is practically non-existent post-EW graphics, I noticed (as many already know) darker colours do get a resemblance of gloss but it's significantly toned down. I was able to more clearly see the changes for Face 1's mouth (Mouth type 1) using a darker tone as well, which I should've done way sooner but because I'm so used to the way my character was borderline lip-less in EW I kind of just... forgot.

Anyway, a similar problem with the mouth corners as seen on other player model faces here is present here as well: the corners are widened out and the lips have been vertically flattened (this is what causes the duck lips).

Lip Colour: Black (Dark option) / Lip Colour: White (Light option)



In regards to my character settings in particular, like I said before a key part of my problem arises from how the lip colour is handled in DT. I specifically designed my character in mind to have significantly reduced lip colour, I suppose much like how an anime character would look, a fixation on the mouth line (so, not realistic). Now when comparing against the dark lipstick, the upper lip on my character became pronounced in DT whereas before it wasn't nearly as present in most environments (see photos below).



I don't know what the resolution to this could be, maybe allowing the lip colour to have a density slider or a menu of selectable options could do the trick (as my lips have gone from matching my skin tone to a pale pink) and allowing the option for a more intense lip gloss effect like in EW could probably help as well (I liked this effect).

In regards to all faces/options, the mouth line shadow(?) (or lack thereof) being reduced is still another large contender for why the appearance is so off. I think this is what could be causing the centre "M" shape to look reduced on my lips, some other character examples are fundamental sculpt changes.

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