Can Square Enix stop gate-keeping mid-core contents behind Savage ILvl on release?

[TakumiHarada]

So let me get this straight, you are bitching about SE keeping you away from content when PEOPLE are the ones doing the parties and putting the requirements. Okay, Karen, keep at it.

Well, call me names but people act according to a game/software's design.
And I'm saying this is a bad design, and people are acting accordingly. I don't blame the people because the design allows them.

What's the problem with lowering the max ILvl to 700? Can you explain the reason why it's not OK without using name-calling?

[Kohashi]

Well, call me names but people act according to a game/software's design.
And I'm saying this is a bad design, and people are acting accordingly. I don't blame the people because the design allows them.

What's the problem with lowering the max ILvl to 700? Can you explain the reason why it's not OK without using name-calling?

It will not change anything because PEOPLE can still make these requirements.

Also, as a side fact, those 730 ilvl gated COD parties were probably mostly done out of frustration with farm parties who kept progging Towers or seeds due to the high inconsistency of the players. People who engage in savage and hard content overall, are a lot less likely to mess up and thus ensuring the farm to be a lot smoother, at least in theory.

[TakumiHarada]

It will not change anything because PEOPLE can still make these requirements.

Also, as a side fact, those 730 ilvl gated COD parties were probably mostly done out of frustration with farm parties who kept progging Towers or seeds due to the high inconsistency of the players. People who engage in savage and hard content overall, are a lot less likely to mess up and thus ensuring the farm to be a lot smoother, at least in theory.

No. If the ILvl was synced at 700, people will not make parties forced at 730, because 730 gear would be pointless.
In fact the best gear will become the Neo Kingdom gear with materia slotted in.
You don't seem to understand the syncing system. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Goodbye.

[Kohashi]

No. If the ILvl was synced at 700, people will not make parties forced at 730, because 730 gear would be pointless.
In fact the best gear will become the Neo Kingdom gear with materia slotted in.
You don't seem to understand the syncing system. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Goodbye.

Not only do you rage for the sake of raging, you also prove you have no idea what you are talking about, at least when talking about COD which you have used as a prime example to drive your narrative.

COD is a 24 raid, however it was designed to be clearable with 12 as well. A forced ilvl synch down is plain stupid.

Also, why would you force an ilvl of 700 when you could already get upgraded crafted gear which gives you 720ilvl for 0 effort?

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[DiaDeem]

lol what midcore content?

There's two types of content in modern XIV:
- Sleep at the wheel
- Needs Static/Guide

There's no mid tier content.

[Rithy255]

lol what midcore content?

There's two types of content in modern XIV:
- Sleep at the wheel
- Needs Static/Guide

There's no mid tier content.

I am sad that this is so true.

[Jeeqbit]

Savage mount (P12S) has a 4% registration rate while the mount from two Criterions in the same tier are both at 1.3%.

I was using the current savage mount (M4S). Because I believe that as soon as it's old, more and more people unsync it and skip mechanics. Clearly the % for M4S is so low on FFXIVcollect because any percentage higher than that typically unsyncs things, and it gets higher for the old savages because they unsync. Since they can't unsync criterion, it won't grow much with its associated old raids.

A more accurate way would be looking at the achievements.

I agree. When I looked at the achievements for Savage a while back, it actually showed that the clear rate was a little higher than the mount was indicating to me (by about 5% extra percent), but it was close enough that it showed achievements are relevant data despite only being enabled by "collector" types.

When I did M4S as a percentage of people who cleared the normal version of M4, it was a super high percentage: 29.8% (probably higher now, since it's been 4 months). According to Lucky Bancho, 50% cleared in JP and around 30% on Aether at that time (again, 4 months ago). Now it's more like 55% in JP, 35% on Aether, 20% on Crystal (20% is the lowest most worlds get), and the lowest is 11% on Kraken.

So the tiny percentages like 1% or 3% on FFXIVcollect are deceiving. If you get the raw figure and do it as a percentage of actually active players, it's super high. If it says M4S is 3% and Criterion is 1.2%, both of those are large percentages when you consider that only, say, 10% of the players registered on there are actively playing.

The interest is obviously lower than for Savage and Ultimates, but as I explained, it's still over 10% of active players doing it which is a significant amount of players. Yoshi-P also said he didn't see a need for people to rush and do it and that it can be done any time. As far as I saw, the statistic was slow to grow (it was initially 0.1% or 0.2%), so people took that advice.

[YukioKobayashi]

You can enter Chaotic like you said with iLvl below 730. Chaotic was balanced around 710.
Players that dont do Savage and Ultimates had the chance to be 727+ on release. (Tomegear, Upgraded Tomegear with Huntmarks and AR Tokens, Upgraded Craftedgear, 725 Ex-Weapon, ect)
Most PFs on EU at least were locked to 720. If your DC locks it to 730 its on them and not SE. Can we stop blaming SE for everything. They do mistakes but this is 100% not on them.

[Rithy255]

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If you want to cry about me not doing ext I have actually done many EXT's all of the recent ones aswell, I've also done savage, so your point about me not doing those is funny.
This is not my main raiding character, I've only recently done the story on this character but I guess it's funny you'd have to try and search if I did a EXT to prove a point or not.

I do not personally define midcore as something that 90% of the playerbase uses guides to clear, but that's just my opinion Midcore to me should be a challenge, but can be done in a single lockout without a guide. I want content that is challenging but doesn't have to require investment like savage/ext not because savage/ext is too hard for me but because sometimes im not really in the mood for that sort of content

It's hilarious you say black mage changes were made for people like me... like no? I enjoyed actually bringing black mage into p9s and I was actually leveling this very character to have a secondary caster so I don't fall behind in magic gear. Though now I'm not doing that because I dislike the skill expression took away from black mage.

[Nero-Voidstails]

If you want to cry about me not doing ext I have actually done many EXT's all of the recent ones aswell, I've also done savage, so your point about me not doing those is funny.
This is not my main raiding character, I've only recently done the story on this character but I guess it's funny you'd have to try and search if I did a EXT to prove a point or not.

I do not personally define midcore as something that 90% of the playerbase uses guides to clear, but that's just my opinion Midcore to me should be a challenge, but can be done in a single lockout without a guide. I want content that is challenging but doesn't have to require investment like savage/ext not because savage/ext is too hard for me but because sometimes im not really in the mood for that sort of content

It's hilarious you say black mage changes were made for people like me... like no? I enjoyed actually bringing black mage into p9s and I was actually leveling this very character to have a secondary caster so I don't fall behind in magic gear. Though now I'm not doing that because I dislike the skill expression took away from black mage.

I wish I could have done the extreme this tiers not gonna lie haha but I have odd wake up time so kinda hard to do them x)