Live letters have lost their magic - Zepla

[Nadda]

Look everyone, there is the chosen one. Let's start a rational-pragmatic-thinking-cult and bully everyone who has a different opinion.

Ah yes, because pointing out that constant negativity and blind pessimism aren’t helping anyone is clearly the same as bullying people with different opinions.

The idea that I am in any way invalidating you yet you diminish me.

I'm not the one shouting people down for what they think, I merely ask for reasoned and leveled heads to prevail when levying their concerns. I am more than equitable towards that.

If my words are such a challenging threat as to bore the brunt of such disdain then let it be so. It's not the critiques I am after but the manner in which they are presented that matters. You'll not win me over with such a cynical snark.

When you make a challenge or critique it should be in part to win people over but you have lost me. So what does that say about your endeavors?

[Auro_Seldaris]

I'm not the one shouting people down for what they think, I merely ask for reasoned and leveled heads to prevail when levying their concerns. I am more than equitable towards that.

Reasoned and level heads HAVE tried to levy their concerns. All critique or discussion is buried in "GOOD VIBES ONLY" or "YOU'RE JUST A NEGATIVE NANCY."

Laser-focused, good-faith critique is worth a thousand hours of 'vibes-based' doomposting from a washed-up grifter.

People have written "laser-focused, good-faith critique" of Dawntrail. There have been forum threads with lengthy posts discussing and dissecting the problems with DT's plot, characterization, world-building, job design, staleness and repetitiveness of content, etc. There have been many of these threads, all done in good faith and with reasonable attempts at discourse. Do you know what happens to those threads?

They get buried in an avalanche of simplistic "I LIKED IT!" or "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, A DOOMPOSTER, A TROLL."

[Exmo]

People have written "laser-focused, good-faith critique" of Dawntrail. There have been forum threads with lengthy posts discussing and dissecting the problems with DT's plot, characterization, world-building, job design, staleness and repetitiveness of content, etc. There have been many of these threads, all done in good faith and with reasonable attempts at discourse. Do you know what happens to those threads?

They get buried in an avalanche of simplistic "I LIKED IT!" or "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, A DOOMPOSTER, A TROLL."

Can you give an example of this happening, please?

[Wasselin]

Can you give an example of this happening, please?

All you have to do is look at the front page of the forums to see the opposite of this happening. Almost every single post is negative, and most of the posts within are echoing that sentiment. Any post that isn't negative turns negative quickly, as forum posters call anyone who disagrees a "white knight."

[yesnt]

Can you give an example of this happening, please?

How does it come you have 421 posts since November, but you seem to be clueless about what Auro said. That's just ignorant.

[Exmo]

How does it come you have 421 posts since November, but you seem to be clueless about what Auro said. That's just ignorant.

Woah so rude. And yet... I don't see a single example. Maybe you forgot to link it?

[yesnt]

Woah so rude. And yet... I don't see a single example. Maybe you forgot to link it?

Someone answered that question for you, just scroll a bit up and you will see. Always happy to help.

[Auro_Seldaris]

Can you give an example of this happening, please?

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...70#post6666270

"The game's fine" is just "I like it" but a slightly different flavor. Said in an attempt to shutdown perceived "doomposting".

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...64#post6665964

Literally you. "The majority of players disagree with you (smiley face)" is only a few words more than "I liked it", which is the implied sentiment of those who you are representing. And the smiley at the end is an implication that you, yourself, agree with them. The entire statement is a passive-agressive attempt to shut down any discourse around the game.

I'm at work right now and I don't have time to dig through the forums, but go look at any thread written by someone in good faith, with long posts about the problems with the expansion, and you'll see that at some point it inevitably gets filled up with "I LIKED IT" posts. I even

[Exmo]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...70#post6666270

"The game's fine" is just "I like it" but a slightly different flavor. Said in an attempt to shutdown perceived "doomposting".

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...64#post6665964

Literally you. "The majority of players disagree with you (smiley face)" is only a few words more than "I liked it", which is the implied sentiment of those who you are representing. And the smiley at the end is an implication that you, yourself, agree with them. The entire statement is a passive-agressive attempt to shut down any discourse around the game.

I'm at work right now and I don't have time to dig through the forums, but go look at any thread written by someone in good faith, with long posts about the problems with the expansion, and you'll see that at some point it inevitably gets filled up with "I LIKED IT" posts. I even

Neither of these threads are examples of "laser-focused, good-faith critique" of Dawntrail getting buried in an avalanche of simplistic "I LIKED IT!" or "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, A DOOMPOSTER, A TROLL."

The first thread is OP making a few QoL suggestions, a few posts in the middle where people meet negativity with positivity, which peters out into the standard level of negativity. OP wasn't getting shouted down, conversation wasn't being closed, by positivity.

The second link is literally me saying I liked the game in response to someone saying it's crap, "deal with it" or something similarly dull minded, and my one little post getting inundated with Dawntrail haters. I'm not so powerful that on my own, in twenty words or less, I can bury a thread in an avalanche of positivity.

I personally haven't seen a single example of what you claim despite being active here for the past few months and seeing loads of threads. But, I allow that it might happen and I missed it. If you can provide a better example when you have time later I can give it a look.

[ElysiumDragon]

Reasoned and level heads HAVE tried to levy their concerns. All critique or discussion is buried in "GOOD VIBES ONLY" or "YOU'RE JUST A NEGATIVE NANCY."



People have written "laser-focused, good-faith critique" of Dawntrail. There have been forum threads with lengthy posts discussing and dissecting the problems with DT's plot, characterization, world-building, job design, staleness and repetitiveness of content, etc. There have been many of these threads, all done in good faith and with reasonable attempts at discourse. Do you know what happens to those threads?

They get buried in an avalanche of simplistic "I LIKED IT!" or "YOU'RE JUST A HATER, A DOOMPOSTER, A TROLL."

"Content is stale and repetitive" is vibes-based, it isn't 'laser-focused' at all. Stale how? Repetitive how?

"I liked the Dawntrail MSQ as a whole, but the early sections of the expansion dragged due to an overreliance on cutscenes, and a lack of required player engagement. I would have liked 'x' and 'y' story moment to have been a solo duty, instead of a cutscene or happening off-screen" is me naming the exact issue, pointing out specific moments where this issue cropped up, and offering a direct solution.

See how easy it is?