Ban premade parties in Frontline please

[Mawlzy]

More like people are so exceptionally, and willfully awful at this game's PvP that they make premaders look like super soldiers. How 'bout we stop rewarding base-level participation? That'll truly solve the problem.

Yeah I think attributing this purely to a skill issue runs the risk of excusing/misdiagnosing lethargic play.

In a low-skill mode, it's hard for skill to make much of a difference. What does make a difference is people not engaging at all.

Somewhat surprisingly, I've found the worst of the lethargic offenders frequently queue in with friends (clear by their discussions in party chat). This is irritating since it makes them basically immune to vote-kicking. Maybe that's the idea?

[ChrysOCE]

Yeah I think attributing this purely to a skill issue runs the risk of excusing/misdiagnosing lethargic play.

In a low-skill mode, it's hard for skill to make much of a difference. What does make a difference is people not engaging at all.

Somewhat surprisingly, I've found the worst of the lethargic offenders frequently queue in with friends (clear by their discussions in party chat). This is irritating since it makes them basically immune to vote-kicking. Maybe that's the idea?

I dont know about that, you can definitely see the skill difference between a veteran pvp player and someone who is new to FL. but you at least hope there is a willingness to learn and improve.
But yea, the lethargic or (imo worse) deliberately detrimental players are worse and there is no excuse for Square to not deal with them. people who consistantly get 0-0-0 or 0-10+-0

[Mawlzy]

I dont know about that, you can definitely see the skill difference between a veteran pvp player and someone who is new to FL. but you at least hope there is a willingness to learn and improve.
But yea, the lethargic or (imo worse) deliberately detrimental players are worse and there is no excuse for Square to not deal with them. people who consistantly get 0-0-0 or 0-10+-0

Yeah that's fair. Experience for those paying attention means they position better and anticipate enemy attacks. It's quite a beautiful thing when you get a team with map sense, and the team moves with common purpose.

I would argue that there is no actual skill issue in FL, because there's only so much skill you can show with such a limited amount of buttons. What people lack in FL are all the related knowledge to function properly in large-scale PvP, such as spatial awareness, map awareness, positioning, the ebb and flow of combat, etc.

Right this is exactly what I was getting at.