Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[CidHeiral]

To be more precise, you specifically asked for an example of where you can see the lighting in the eyes, which other people think is bad. You got the answer and - to paraphrase it - you simply responded to the example like 'nah, it's perfectly fine, that's how reality looks'. That is a very clear example of the fact that you didn't actually wanted an honest oppinion from anyone. It was just an opener to convince people of the allready set view.

I can't say I agree with your assessment. If someone were to tell me their outfit is ugly and I ask them to show me what they're talking about and upon seeing it I disagree that it's ugly, that doesn't mean I didn't actually want their opinion or I have some ulterior motives. I thanked that person for providing their screenshot and specifically said it's valid for them to have the opinion I disagree with. Characterizing the post as "nah it's fine git gud lol" is disingenuous.

Would just be awesome if we could respect eachothers oppinion without simply negate it.

I've gone out of my way to say "in my opinion," "your opinion is okay too," "thank you," etc etc. Not sure how much more respectful you're wanting things to be while still disagreeing. Should everyone only respond with "Message received" and leave it at that?

This particular image isn't comparable to OP's, which depicts a sheen over the entire eye of the NPC, obscuring the pupil, etc., making the eyes look like glass marbles. The details of the model's eyes are obscured, yes, but through a manipulation of contrast and exposure in what I can promise you is achieved through digital editing, typical of the kind of glamour photography this clearly is.

I think most people can understand what I was getting at without an exact match in lighting conditions. Obscured eyes happen under various conditions in reality and if the game is simulating light relatively realistically then it's to be expected that it happens in the game as well, in the same way we would expect a shadow to be cast behind us. That's not demanding the game be photorealistic, it's just how light works. If someone prefers a more hyper stylized approach then fair enough, I'm just voicing my opinion that I enjoy the current solution.

[Circonflexe]

I can't say I agree with your assessment. If someone were to tell me their outfit is ugly and I ask them to show me what they're talking about and upon seeing it I disagree that it's ugly, that doesn't mean I didn't actually want their opinion or I have some ulterior motives. I thanked that person for providing their screenshot and specifically said it's valid for them to have the opinion I disagree with. Characterizing the post as "nah it's fine git gud lol" is disingenuous.

I've gone out of my way to say "in my opinion," "your opinion is okay too," "thank you," etc etc. Not sure how much more respectful you're wanting things to be while still disagreeing. Should everyone only respond with "Message received" and leave it at that?

Honestly this leads to a hole different topic about empathy - sure you can handle it like that, but I wouldn't describe it as polite, if that person is sad about an outfit, that was in their eyes beautyfull looking by choosing it and is very different (negatively different in their oppinion) the other day. It gets nastier if I choosed the same outfit, that I now like more than before and tell the person how beautifull it is and how much an outfit _should_ look like this to be pretty, while she/he is very sad. That's not respectfull, that's sassy.

There are very different ways to talk about the topic - phrases like "in my oppinion" don't change the massage in any way. You could say very nasty things "in your oppinion" but it would stay nasty things.

This get very much out of topic but at some point it should get addressed.

edit: You're right that I paraphrased your post heavily, but actually I didn't do that to suggest a tone that would challenge your arguments, I chose that comparison because I wanted to clarify how (at least I) understood your post. I apologize if you didn't mean it in the sense of "nah it's fine git gud lol", but I still have no other interpretation for it, no matter how many times I read your original post.

[CidHeiral]

Honestly this leads to a hole different topic about empathy - sure you can handle it like that, but I wouldn't describe it as polite, if that person is sad about an outfit, that was in their eyes beautyfull looking by choosing it and is very different (negatively different in their oppinion) the other day. It gets nastier if I choosed the same outfit, that I now like more than before and tell the person how beautifull it is and how much an outfit _should_ look like this to be pretty, while she/he is very sad. That's not respectfull, that's sassy.

There are very different ways to talk about the topic - phrases like "in my oppinion" don't change the massage in any way. You could say very nasty things "in your oppinion" but it would stay nasty things.

Your view seems to be that everyone should always agree with everyone else regardless of what they actually think just to avoid ruffling any feathers, which I would have to disagree with. We're on a discussion forum which by its nature is going to result in a mix of different opinions, but any stable adult should be able to discern between someone being nasty and someone simply not agreeing with them. As long as everyone is polite it's okay to disagree.

I apologize if you didn't mean it in the sense of "nah it's fine git gud lol", but I still have no other interpretation for it, no matter how many times I read your original post.

Not much I can do for you there unfortunately but I appreciate the apology.

[Circonflexe]

Your view seems to be that everyone should always agree with everyone else regardless of what they actually think just to avoid ruffling any feathers, which I would have to disagree with. We're on a discussion forum which by its nature is going to result in a mix of different opinions, but any stable adult should be able to discern between someone being nasty and someone simply not agreeing with them. As long as everyone is polite it's okay to disagree.

Oh wow, at this point you really wanted to misunderstand me, right? You don't have to agree with someone to take his view serious that you asked for Oo

[CidHeiral]

Oh wow, at this point you really wanted to misunderstand me, right? You don't have to agree with someone to take his view serious that you asked for Oo

How was I not taking them seriously? In fact, why don't you tell me in specifics the proper way you think I should have responded to the post you're referring to and maybe I'll understand your point better. I feel like I've been more than polite while you're seeing what you want to see in my posts and chastising me for it. You tell me what you think is the correct reply, I'm happy to listen.