The slow decline of FFXIV, a summary.

[Arohk]

It's really, really funny how the "doomers" mostly shit on the game/company, but the white knights mostly shit on people.

This is in itself very revealing: one group of people are thinking about game mechanics and understanding the company's behavior. The other group treats it as a tribal war.

I wouldn't consider myself a doomer, but i played the game for a long time now and if you do so, you notice the Problems and what could be better, and it is discouraging to see stuff added to the game no one asked for instead of long demanded features like Chat Bubbles, Viera hats, instanced Housing ect...which could be implemented easily.

Everyone who has never used mods or plugins doesnt even realize how much better the game could be if SE implemented a lot of this stuff into the game, especially Console players.

Housing:
The basic housing UI is very barebones, because it is made to work wih a controller.
Plugins allow you to move furniture up and down, place them via coordinates for pecision, ignore wall/floor collision, save and load your entire house layout, allow you to decorate your house outside of FFXIV and then load it into the game.

It is really mindblowing how much time the community invests into this game outside of it.

[Heavenchild]

I told people years ago about the problems but it was pointless. Almost everyone defended it. The people who don't defended it, they all left meanwhile, because they where bored for such a long time.

[sindriiisgaming]

Finally a youtuber calling outright for unsubbing. It's the only way to get something achieved. I did unsub after seeing that video too because no matter what 7.x brings the game will allways be the same formulaic mess. So I'm out till 8.0

[NaoSen]

Watching this video was a trip, it was like hearing my thoughts in lucy pyres voice.

[ElysiumDragon]

I think I can probably speak for most non-doomers when I say this:

Yeah, sure, the criticisms are valid. The housing system sucks and should be improved, job design is too homogenised in some areas, the game has annoying netcode jank, old Summoner was better, etc, etc we get it.

We got it 3 YEARS ago. This isn't "I have an issue with the game I'd like to see fixed, how can I submit feedback", it's 3-4 straight years of never-ending complaints and doom-farming and the like, and it just gets tiresome eventually, especially when you won't vote with your wallet and LEAVE. Credit to Lucy for actually stating "You should unsub" though, first content creator to outright say the 3 most important words.

Also, yes, you SHOULD submit feedback, there's a form in-game and everything.

[Mawlzy]

I think I can probably speak for most non-doomers when I say this:

Yeah, sure, the criticisms are valid. The housing system sucks and should be improved, job design is too homogenised in some areas, the game has annoying netcode jank, old Summoner was better, etc, etc we get it.

We got it 3 YEARS ago. This isn't "I have an issue with the game I'd like to see fixed, how can I submit feedback", it's 3-4 straight years of never-ending complaints and doom-farming and the like, and it just gets tiresome eventually, especially when you won't vote with your wallet and LEAVE. Credit to Lucy for actually stating "You should unsub" though, first content creator to outright say the 3 most important words.

Also, yes, you SHOULD submit feedback, there's a form in-game and everything.

People continue to complain because nothing gets fixed.

[CalvinDescoles]

I think I can probably speak for most non-doomers when I say this:

Yeah, sure, the criticisms are valid. The housing system sucks and should be improved, job design is too homogenised in some areas, the game has annoying netcode jank, old Summoner was better, etc, etc we get it.

We got it 3 YEARS ago. This isn't "I have an issue with the game I'd like to see fixed, how can I submit feedback", it's 3-4 straight years of never-ending complaints and doom-farming and the like, and it just gets tiresome eventually, especially when you won't vote with your wallet and LEAVE. Credit to Lucy for actually stating "You should unsub" though, first content creator to outright say the 3 most important words.

Also, yes, you SHOULD submit feedback, there's a form in-game and everything.

Problem with feedback is like puting suggestion box in a company office.It give you the illusion that your opinion mater while managers don't give a damn about it.

so yeah... it has been 3-4 years that the suggestion box is vomiting constent opinion while managers just pass by and don't give a fuck...

[TemporalFruitsAndVeggies]

Okay, finally watched the video now that I had time. Here's a tl;dw for anyone else, since the video has a ton of filler in it, which I'll just tell myself is intentional meta-parody of the nature of FFXIV's narrative:

1. Game has grown too easy
2. Jobs too homogenized and over-simplified (DPS too easy, tank too strong, healer too useless)
3. Patch cycles getting longer but delivering less content
4. Over-catering to (E)RPers
5. Non-raid content is underwhelming
6. Dawntrail story bad, writing quality nosedive
7. Toxic, stalker-filled community
8. Formulaic content cycle, no casual/midcore content

I'm not familiar with the creator at all, so I'm going in completely unbiased here, and I'm commenting exclusively on the content, not the presentation or the jokes/asides or anything: It's really not a very good video. The case she makes for "FFXIV is in decline for these reasons" is vibes-based, and not evidence-based. Declining player numbers is a sort of evidence, but she fails to establish a meaningful causal link between any of her complaints and those declining numbers (Occam's razor would suggest that the increasingly slow content release cadence is far and away the biggest culprit).

"Totally preventable" is simply...totally unaddressed in the video. Not sure why it's in the title at all. I suppose the implication is "if the devs hadn't done all these things I'm complaining about, the game would be thriving at a level I deem acceptable," but even that weak argument is never explicitly stated.

Like most FFXIV content today, it treads zero new ground; it's basically the standard laundry list of complaints we see on this forum and reddit day in and day out.

For what it's worth, I do agree with basically all of her complaints. I always tend to attribute less importance to the story than other people, and don't view old job design through quite so rose-tinted glasses, but I found myself nodding along with basically everything. I'm just saying that she did not make a persuasive case for her thesis. She just complained about a bunch of stuff I happen to agree with.

[Supersnow845]

Okay, finally watched the video now that I had time. Here's a tl;dw for anyone else, since the video has a ton of filler in it, which I'll just tell myself is intentional meta-parody of the nature of FFXIV's narrative:

1. Game has grown too easy
2. Jobs too homogenized and over-simplified (DPS too easy, tank too strong, healer too useless)
3. Patch cycles getting longer but delivering less content
4. Over-catering to (E)RPers
5. Non-raid content is underwhelming
6. Dawntrail story bad, writing quality nosedive
7. Toxic, stalker-filled community
8. Formulaic content cycle, no casual/midcore content

I'm not familiar with the creator at all, so I'm going in completely unbiased here, and I'm commenting exclusively on the content, not the presentation or the jokes/asides or anything: It's really not a very good video. The case she makes for "FFXIV is in decline for these reasons" is vibes-based, and not evidence-based. Declining player numbers is a sort of evidence, but she fails to establish a meaningful causal link between any of her complaints and those declining numbers (Occam's razor would suggest that the increasingly slow content release cadence is far and away the biggest culprit).

"Totally preventable" is simply...totally unaddressed in the video. Not sure why it's in the title at all. I suppose the implication is "if the devs hadn't done all these things I'm complaining about, the game would be thriving at a level I deem acceptable," but even that weak argument is never explicitly stated.

Like most FFXIV content today, it treads zero new ground; it's basically the standard laundry list of complaints we see on this forum and reddit day in and day out.

For what it's worth, I do agree with basically all of her complaints. I always tend to attribute less importance to the story than other people, and don't view old job design through quite so rose-tinted glasses, but I found myself nodding along with basically everything. I'm just saying that she did not make a persuasive case for her thesis. She just complained about a bunch of stuff I happen to agree with.

Here’s a question for you because I don’t fully disagree with your point that “the said a lot of things but didn’t necessarily back up her points”

What evidence could she have provided? This game doesn’t share player numbers publicly and we only have fragmented data. She can point to what has changed and what most listening posts are unhappy about but ultimately we don’t know if these changes are or aren’t popular because again it’s squares data

What could Lucy have reasonably done differently that would have made you support her point more?

[Carin-Eri]

Not gonna watch the video. I'll wait until one of the predictable influencer 'reviews' of it appear. I have little doubt that Zepla will do one in due course.