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  1. #1171
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    MitsukiKimura's Avatar
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    Mitsuki Akiyumi
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    You pull you tank is a ego statement. Doesn't matter what way of thinking you perceive it to be. Tank's are not leaders of the group just cause of the role assigned. If you are single pulling with the intention of holding your group to your pull standards then you should excuse yourself and run the trust system. A third dps can do your job better and make healing more engaging for the healer. This thread is old time to let it die and move on.
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  2. #1172
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    John Lakeside
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    Disagree. Imo part of playing Tank is the class fantasy of being the leader busting down the door. Being the shield, not just some brainless damage sponge. I'm a DPS, but I think when DPS/Healers do that instead of the Tank its selfish and robbing them of that.
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  3. #1173
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    Dr Yeol
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    Fisher Lv 100
    This game has almost zero aggro management. Tanks can easily pull mobs off players with 1-2 clicks that are part of their rotation anyways. Tanks refusing to do so are either bad at tanking or have ego problems.
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  4. #1174
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLakeside View Post
    Disagree. Imo part of playing Tank is the class fantasy of being the leader busting down the door. Being the shield, not just some brainless damage sponge. I'm a DPS, but I think when DPS/Healers do that instead of the Tank its selfish and robbing them of that.
    Okay compromise

    You can be the leader of the party and I won’t pull ahead of you

    BUT

    you actually have to LEAD and not drag your feet like you forgot where the sprint button is

    Like there is literally nothing stopping you fulfilling that fantasy, just press sprint

    also tanks if you are unhappy with people doing your role can you give healing back to the healers
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  5. #1175
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    MitsukiKimura's Avatar
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    Mitsuki Akiyumi
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLakeside View Post
    Disagree. Imo part of playing Tank is the class fantasy of being the leader busting down the door. Being the shield, not just some brainless damage sponge. I'm a DPS, but I think when DPS/Healers do that instead of the Tank its selfish and robbing them of that.
    All tanks are damage sponges.
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  6. #1176
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLakeside View Post
    Disagree. Imo part of playing Tank is the class fantasy of being the leader busting down the door. Being the shield, not just some brainless damage sponge. I'm a DPS, but I think when DPS/Healers do that instead of the Tank its selfish and robbing them of that.
    If you want class fantasy go play an actually good game this game has none LOL
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  7. #1177
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    Lucaon Soho
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    Sage Lv 100
    If the tank is going slow, they do it for a reason, and probably not because of an ego power trip. If I really, really don't like the pace of the dungeon, I just remove myself and do other stuff with my time.
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  8. #1178
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    TBerry's Avatar
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    Jote Nuidaire
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    Omega
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Okay compromise

    You can be the leader of the party and I won’t pull ahead of you

    BUT

    you actually have to LEAD and not drag your feet like you forgot where the sprint button is

    Like there is literally nothing stopping you fulfilling that fantasy, just press sprint

    also tanks if you are unhappy with people doing your role can you give healing back to the healers
    Suggestion: Instead of melding pity materia to get people to play with you use heaven's spine materias instead.


    Y'all shout "team game" whenever it's convenient, but you you can't comprehend that people work with you and not for you.
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    Last edited by TBerry; 03-02-2025 at 12:22 AM. Reason: Emphasis on "with" and "for", corrected a typo.

  9. #1179
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBerry View Post
    Suggestion: Instead of melding pity materia to get people to play with you use heaven's spine materias instead.


    Y'all shout "team game" whenever it's convenient, but you you can't comprehend that people work with you and nolt for you.
    The person I replied to literally said “it’s stealing my identity if you pull ahead of me”

    YOU can literally not let anyone else pull ahead of you if you simply RUN and take agro first. “Being the leader” as the other person said isn’t being the enforced stone dragging the party down it’s actually being at the front leading

    Before you shout about “team game when it’s convenient for you” maybe tell the person I replied to that you can’t both be the leader and the person demanding everyone else play at a slower speed for you
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #1180
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    Jote Nuidaire
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    Omega
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The person I replied to literally said “it’s stealing my identity if you pull ahead of me”

    YOU can literally not let anyone else pull ahead of you if you simply RUN and take agro first. “Being the leader” as the other person said isn’t being the enforced stone dragging the party down it’s actually being at the front leading

    Before you shout about “team game when it’s convenient for you” maybe tell the person I replied to that you can’t both be the leader and the person demanding everyone else play at a slower speed for you
    So you demand that everyone should be completely dependent on the healers, by stripping most self sustainability, and give them back their job fantasy and have everyone cater to it, while essentially stealing credit from adventurers and scions, wasting Hraesvalgr's eye, and making Zenos looks average, and only feel empowered by putting tanks down.
    But oh no, Tanks cannot be anything more than brainless damage sponges who have to do your bidding because you said so.

    If the tank and everyone else dies because you overpull (because bad gear or being new, or even lack of skill), especially in early game dungeons that's on you. If you get kicked because of uncooperative behavior, that's on you.
    I don't know in how many variations I have to repeat it, but I still think anyone posting in this thread is just self-reporting and admitting guilt to being a shit-head.
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    Last edited by TBerry; 03-02-2025 at 12:04 AM.
    Dawntrail is what I imagine the entire MSQ as a healer-main.

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