"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Kaurhz]

If the tank / healer is not confident enough to pull everything and it takes extra work to pull agro off of a dps or healer that is running around because the adds are murdering them for being dumb, ypyt is very understandable!

From a tank perspective I have to chase the adds because you are impatient you deserve to respawn at the start of the dungeon F off. Mind you I don't normally do YPYT it really just depends I usually pull everything that is required by default so people have to really work to get a ypyt mentality out of me. :/

It shouldn't really take much work at all, provided they bring the mobs back towards you, at which point they should get naturally caught up in your AoE attacks. I would go on to say that people should really try pulling everything more, it isn't as bad as it sounds, and only really 2 pulls in Mt Gulg and 1 pull in Doma Castle can give some issues.

YTYP isn't really understandable, it's lethargic behavior just give it a go and see what happens. If they kite them away or play ring-around-the-rosie with you, then yeah, that's on them.. But if you refuse in any capacity then that's on you - and neither is 'understandable'

[Kahnha]

My brother in christ there is no "extra work".
It takes a single GCD to pull enmity , you aren't chasing after anything, the entire party is going to the same spot. Just run into the pack at the end of the linear path with a huge wall preventing you from going further and do your normal AoE rotation.

It doesn't affect you in the slightest. The ONLY person even moderately affected by it is the healer (as they may need to top the DPS up if they aren't using bloodbath/second wind), not the tank, and by YPYTing you're making the healers job even worse because you're having a hissy fit.

using your own words; You're making the healers job even worse because you're having a hissy fit and running ahead of the group because you're impatient.

1st wrong is on a dps trying to be a tank that's griefing and is reportable.

Furthermore not everyone is sensible enough to pull adds near tank aoes so it is what it is.

[Kahnha]

It shouldn't really take much work at all, provided they bring the mobs back towards you, at which point they should get naturally caught up in your AoE attacks. I would go on to say that people should really try pulling everything more, it isn't as bad as it sounds, and only really 2 pulls in Mt Gulg and 1 pull in Doma Castle can give some issues.

YTYP isn't really understandable, it's lethargic behavior just give it a go and see what happens. If they kite them away or play ring-around-the-rosie with you, then yeah, that's on them.. But if you refuse in any capacity then that's on you - and neither is 'understandable'

what's understandable about being a dps that can die to adds running ahead of the group to pull more adds though??

It sounds like people justifying their own poor choices to me.

If you're so strapped for time that 2-4 extra mins in a dungeon is enough for you to fall out over maybe you shouldn't be going to time sinks like XIV in the 1st place.

TBH I'm with you guys on pulling everything if I had my way you would be able to pull wall to boss room but that's not what we got, tghe game devs themselves want you to take your time stop griefing scared tanks and healers..

[Katashi90]

If a tank can't take even aggro off their teammates(given how streamlined it is to do so than it used to be), that means they're much more terrible at tanking than Duty Support NPCs. Yes, they're worse than Thancred and Wuk Lamat. Because Thancred and Wuk Lamat are capable of taking aggro off you in Duty Support.

If the tank decides to be petty and do single wave pulls like Duty Support NPCs or not taking the aggro off team, then I guess if I'm DPS I'll stick to single target rotation too, just like a Duty Support NPC.

Every role has their ways to contribute to the party.

[Kaurhz]

what's understandable about being a dps that can die to adds running ahead of the group to pull more adds though??

It sounds like people justifying their own poor choices to me.

If you're so strapped for time that 2-4 extra mins in a dungeon is enough for you to fall out over maybe you shouldn't be going to time sinks like XIV in the 1st place.

TBH I'm with you guys on pulling everything if I had my way you would be able to pull wall to boss room but that's not what we got, tghe game devs themselves want you to take your time stop griefing scared tanks and healers..

In most cases though a DPS is not going to die unless they sit and try to solo them, or if they try and outright tank them on their own. If they go in, pull them, take them to the tank, then they will barely lose HP because AoE from tank is just going to do the work.. After that it's business as usual.

Personally for me, it's neither a here nor there. If I am strapped for time then I simply queue with friends, or queue as a Warrior, then nothing matters. I just take an issue with people having a lethargic and spiteful mentality. - If they drag the ads to you, and they don't die for it -- and nobody dies for it, then what is the issue?

If too much is pulled, the tank dies because they already popped everything, or because the healer for whatever reason is not equipped to deal with it, then that's fine. But if you're going to turn around and say "You pulled that; that's your problem now, deal with it" - Then I can assure you the only poor choice going on in this situation is from the tank.

Being 'nervous', it's fine.. It's whatever, I have a friend that gets nervous in new dungeons, or when playing a tank they are not wholly familiar with.. That's all fine, but in the same vein, they are not going to change or escape that nerve if they're just going to elect to use it a crutch on their own gameplay, or to hinder their own ability.

But lashing out with the YPYT mentality just ain't a good response.

[BunnyQueen]

If the tank / healer is not confident enough to pull everything and it takes extra work to pull agro off of a dps or healer that is running around because the adds are murdering them for being dumb, ypyt is very understandable!

From a tank perspective I have to chase the adds because you are impatient you deserve to respawn at the start of the dungeon F off. Mind you I don't normally do YPYT it really just depends I usually pull everything that is required by default so people have to really work to get a ypyt mentality out of me. :/

I agree with this right here.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Are people that bored in-game they're necro'ing all YPYT threads? lol

Lame. Cringe.

[Red-thunder]

Are people that bored in-game they're necro'ing all YPYT threads? lol

Lame. Cringe.

It's called user-generated content keep up buddy

[Mercury_Grey]

"You pull, you tank" is a unwritten Rule among MMORPG players to make sure, that its always the Tank who declares which Target gets killed first, for the obvious reason of having the highest Defense values.

In some Games, you genuinely need to plan your Pulls if you wish to progress and if some DPS or Healer thinks to cut out of line by breaking this Rule, they have to learn things the hard way, since it not only makes the fight more chaotic, it also can turn a fight into a "almost win" situation where expensive ressources or long CD got burned, making other People wait until Ressources are avaiable again or until death penalties are worn off.

In FFXIV, this isnt applied much outside of Deep Dungeons and some of the Coils/Alexander Trials on min ilvl, but the gist of all this, is that Tanking, is a Tanks Job, and pulling, is also a Tanks Duty. Just as you dont want to be critisized for your DPS or Healing performance, Tanks shouldnt be critisized by the way they pull stuff, therefore, if you think youre a special Snowflake by cutting out of Line,

You Pull, you Tank.

That is all there is to it.

I honestly do agree with what you are saying. I even told a few DPS. Who kept going ahea and dying "if you gonna pull ahead when our healer is new and they asked for small pulls. That's on you not me" most of the time the DPS leave cause they got called out

[Mercury_Grey]

It is so funny you'd say this about dps when tanks are the ones who are allowed to eat vuln snacks like popcorn.

Joke: Tank privilege and I don't have to worry about positional:P