FFXIV Dawntrail reviews are out on Metacritic

[Exmo]

I also would not buy a game with a 53% rating if I was looking for a new game to play. Hope I cleansed your confusion.

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

[SongOfTheWind]

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

You have no idea how to judge player rating, do you? It’s a flop both from a publisher and developer point. No amount of copium would change that.

[CuteBucket]

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

You realize that even the people who gave Dawntrail a "good" score, as in, literally any number above a 5/10 by these metrics, often talk about how they still gave it over a 50% score just because they enjoyed the battle content and still had fun in spite of the abysmal story, yeah? The PC Gamer review and other major outlets pretty much spent the whole review talking about how disappointed they were and still gave it a 7/10 because something-something games journalism blah-blah capitalism (I'm not going into that). Or they're just reactionary people assuming the only reason anyone could possible hate this expansion is because of a voice actor (it's not, that not even an issue I and most others have with the expansion).

But because some people have decided to make this an identity politics team sports thing, we have a small but loud group of people who only ever talk about this game as either "WUK LAMAT BAD" and "NUH-UH WUK LAMAT GOOD." Read some of the actual good faith reviews with a shred of nuance and thought put into it, positive or negative, and you will see that the vast majority of people (that means way over 50%, just to be clear), at minimum, did not enjoy the story this time around, but still gave it an overall positive review because they liked the fights and the graphics update.

A 53% approval rating of anything is not good. In no universe is that considered good. Not for a video game. Not for a restaurant. Not for a politician. Not for a hair salon. Not for a test score. Not for an job. Not for a review of some cheap crap of Temu. Not for satisfaction with a surgical outcome. About the only thing 53% is any good for is getting a bill passed in congress in a nation with a pretty broken political system, so I don't think that's a point in its favor either.

Enjoy your copium, I'm glad someone's having fun, I guess.

[Red-thunder]

You realize that even the people who gave Dawntrail a "good" score, as in, literally any number above a 5/10 by these metrics, often talk about how they still gave it over a 50% score just because they enjoyed the battle content and still had fun in spite of the abysmal story, yeah? The PC Gamer review and other major outlets pretty much spent the whole review talking about how disappointed they were and still gave it a 7/10 because something-something games journalism blah-blah capitalism (I'm not going into that). Or they're just reactionary people assuming the only reason anyone could possible hate this expansion is because of a voice actor (it's not, that not even an issue I and most others have with the expansion).

But because some people have decided to make this an identity politics team sports thing, we have a small but loud group of people who only ever talk about this game as either "WUK LAMAT BAD" and "NUH-UH WUK LAMAT GOOD." Read some of the actual good faith reviews with a shred of nuance and thought put into it, positive or negative, and you will see that the vast majority of people (that means way over 50%, just to be clear), at minimum, did not enjoy the story this time around, but still gave it an overall positive review because they liked the fights and the graphics update.

A 53% approval rating of anything is not good. In no universe is that considered good. Not for a video game. Not for a restaurant. Not for a politician. Not for a hair salon. Not for a test score. Not for an job. Not for a review of some cheap crap of Temu. Not for satisfaction with a surgical outcome. About the only thing 53% is any good for is getting a bill passed in congress in a nation with a pretty broken political system, so I don't think that's a point in its favor either.

Enjoy your copium, I'm glad someone's having fun, I guess.

Your earnest explanation is wasted on white knights. There's a reason why they almost never talk about the actual game and spend most of their time talking about tangential, pointless issues like how to define "most".

[yesnt]

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

Okay thanks for roesplaining. I would not buy a game with a review score of 53%. It's a really bad look.

[Oizen]

According to the Oxford English Dictonary, Average is defined as " the result of adding several amounts together, finding a total, and dividing the total by the number of amounts"
53% is the average of every review across both Steam and Metacritic, making it pretty clear its the Average review score assigned by the communites that use those respective websites.

Thus Dawntrail roughly translates to a 2.5 star Resturant

[Carin-Eri]

You've gotten confused. Nobody gave Dawntrail a 53% rating. It's that most players enjoyed it. A videogame review score of 53% means something totally different than 53% of people liked it. Only the latter is true.

Sadly, it seems that many forumites take issue with the idea that anyone might have actually enjoyed Dawntrail.

[Clockworks]

Sadly, it seems that many forumites take issue with the idea that anyone might have actually enjoyed Dawntrail.

Next time you order food, order from a 2.5 rated restaurant instead of a 4.5 or 5 stars one, and come back to tell us how great it is. Some people enjoy mediocrity or tolerate bad food, that doesnt mean the food in itself is good, just that some people tolerated it for different reasons, maybe it was late and it was the only thing open, or any other reason.

[Carin-Eri]

Next time you order food, order from a 2.5 rated restaurant instead of a 4.5 or 5 stars one, and come back to tell us how great it is. Some people enjoy mediocrity or tolerate bad food, that doesnt mean the food in itself is good, just that some people tolerated it for different reasons, maybe it was late and it was the only thing open, or any other reason.

I get what you're saying - but you've proven my point in a sense. "Tolerated" - but you completely discount the idea that some may have actually enjoyed it.

And to be clear, I have mixed feelings about it. I actually enjoyed it for the most part, but certainly took issue with a fair few elements of the story.

Its not that people take issue with people actually having enjoyed Dawntrail, I think. Most people I read (exceptions always exist, people are people) take issue with their criticism of Dawntrail being attributed to "being a hater", and their valid criticisms being swatted off with a reasoning similar to "i enjoyed it so it must have been a you problem" or "enough people liked it", arguments that insist upon themselves.

Its absolutely okay to have enjoyed Dawntrail, but having enjoyed something does not mean that criticisms of said thing are automatically invalid. People criticizing the product still care, after all. And looking at the reception of the expansion, Dawntrail is definitely not ubiquitously loved.

Agreed - but by the same token, can you direct me to any thread that discusses DT in a positive light that wasn't quickly overrun by negative responses? I would assume not, since DT was poorly received and there are very few threads of that nature to read. But for the few there are....

[ovIm]

Agreed - but by the same token, can you direct me to any thread that discusses DT in a positive light that wasn't quickly overrun by negative responses? I would assume not, since DT was poorly received and there are very few threads of that nature to read. But for the few there are....

Quite frankly, no, I am unable to direct you to any such thread, knowing there is none. And I am fairly certain that even if one were to create a constructive thread with a title like like "let us discuss the things that we enjoyed about DT's story", that would still attract people writing something along the lines of "the credit roll olololol", or talking down about things some people see as positive.
That also is kinda the nature of a forum - you put your opinions on a table for all to see, and said opinion will be challenged by others. These things can just go in either way, just look at the Healer strike thread with its huge, lengthy discussions not just about healer design, but also about how efficient such a strike can even be.