Thematic issues. Why all the sci fi.

[yesnt]

At this point scifi is the norm and I guess the three starter cities are just the most oblivious, ignorant, and maladapted societies on the planet.

The Allagan Empire existed, you know. Magitek is there too. Since ARR, even. Just because you'd like to act like Etheirys is by default a medieval setting doesn't make that statement true.

[Underscore]

Agreed. I felt this way about Solution 9, but this Cosmic Exploration stuff has taken it even further. The content isn't even out yet and I already resent it from the pictures alone. I'm very concerned about the artistic direction the game has been going in lately.

The Allagan Empire existed, you know. Magitek is there too. Since ARR, even. Just because you'd like to act like Etheirys is by default a medieval setting doesn't make that statement true.

I knew someone would respond with this weak, bad faith defence. Garlean magitek and Allagan technology/architecture have unique science-fantasy aesthetics which fit into FFXIV's world well. Both are a far cry from anything we've been seeing in Dawntrail.

[yesnt]

ancient mysterious technology

I feel like every time something in this game is "ancient mysterious" it's just a lack of lore. Although I am not happy with the DT lore overall, at least electrope has some substance to it.

It doesn't make sense when said society is friendly and yet people keep choosing to live in their backwards ways instead of advancing technologically with the rest of the world

This will surprise you, but this is basically the state of the real life earth and a very accurate representation. Societies do not suddenly all advance to the same technology mostly because of politics, education, money and sometimes because tribes like to stay away from advanced society because that's what they chose to do. Some Eorzeans aren't even capable of reading and struggle making their daily bread.

Garlean magitek and Allagan technology/architecture have unique science-fantasy aesthetics which fit into FFXIV's world well. Both are a far cry from anything we've been seeing in Dawntrail.

Fair. S9 aesthetics is clearly service for a certain group of people who will buy overpriced cash shop knit hats.

[Ath192]

This will surprise you, but this is basically the state of the real life earth and a very accurate representation. Societies do not suddenly all advance to the same technology mostly because of politics, education, money and sometimes because tribes like to stay away from advanced society because that's what they chose to do.

The world is nothing like this. When two societies interact things change for both of them. Pretty much everyone has adopted cell phones and internet at this point. And of all things, transportation and weaponry are the biggest and fastest changes. You don't see any nation sailing galleons do you? Cars have been adopted universally, same with airplanes.

EVERYONE has moved on to guns.

This is all inevitable, because things, whether old or new cost money, and a government can't in good conscience keep investing its resources into obsolete technology so they can be conquered on a whim. As soon as new weapons are introduced changes come in fast and furious.

[yesnt]

The world is nothing like this. When two societies interact things change for both of them. Pretty much everyone has adopted cell phones and internet at this point. And of all things, transportation and weaponry are the biggest and fastest changes. You don't see any nation sailing galleons do you? Cars have been adopted universally, same with airplanes.

EVERYONE has moved on to guns.

That... is literally not true.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...th-sentinelese

Besides, S9 just opened to the world. It's unrealistic to think that Tural immediately upgrades to spaceships and pew-pew-laser-guns just because the dome opened a month ago.

[Ath192]

That... is literally not true.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...th-sentinelese

Besides, S9 just opened to the world. It's unrealistic to think that Tural immediately upgrades to spaceships and pew-pew-laser-guns just because the dome opened a month ago.

xD Yes, lets cite the one cannibal island with a barely contacted tribe as the example for what most of the world actually looks like. I was hoping you'd use this as an example just so people see how far you need to go to make things make sense in FFXIV.

Besides, S9 just opened to the world. It's unrealistic to think that Tural immediately upgrades to spaceships and pew-pew-laser-guns just because the dome opened a month ago.

We have started delivery quests to rebuild an obsolete train. It is unrealistic to think Turalli engineers would not realize this and begin analyzing Solution 9 for the most efficient mode of transportation to build next. From day 1 of contact.

[Rinoa_353]

The world is nothing like this. When two societies interact things change for both of them. Pretty much everyone has adopted cell phones and internet at this point. And of all things, transportation and weaponry are the biggest and fastest changes. You don't see any nation sailing galleons do you? Cars have been adopted universally, same with airplanes.

EVERYONE has moved on to guns.

This is all inevitable, because things, whether old or new cost money, and a government can't in good conscience keep investing its resources into obsolete technology so they can be conquered on a whim. As soon as new weapons are introduced changes come in fast and furious.

You may want to rethink that when there are literal ancient hunter gather societies still in the stone age deep in the Amazon and more on Earth today, so their statement is correct.






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

[genuine_stranger]

You may want to rethink that when there are literal ancient hunter gather societies still in the stone age deep in the Amazon and more on Earth today, so their statement is correct.






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncontacted_peoples

Except for the fact that these tribes are pretty much isolated from the rest of the world and don't interact with cultures outside their own, so their exposure to technology is mostly limited to what they've known for centuries.

[Rinoa_353]

Except for the fact that these tribes are pretty much isolated from the rest of the world and don't interact with cultures outside their own, so their exposure to technology is mostly limited to what they've known for centuries.

That's true but this also applies to Alexandria on the other end of the spectrum, they were isolated from their world for centuries until they arrived to The Source. One other example that would be better are the Amish, they are intertwined with our modern society but are still living in the 18th century technology wise for the most part. The problem I had is that it felt really rushed, 7.0 should have been only about Tural and the Skyruin as the big bad and then have 8.0 be about Alexandria to be able to explore the 9th Reflection and see how the Storm Surge had destroyed that world, that was what I really wanted to see more off.

[kaynide]

Except for the fact that these tribes are pretty much isolated from the rest of the world and don't interact with cultures outside their own, so their exposure to technology is mostly limited to what they've known for centuries.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but a more apt "but these people don't accept modern tech" would be more applicable to, say: the Amish, African tribes, the Bedouins tribes of the middle east, or perhaps the Mongolian nomads. In most cases it's that their lifestyle just doesn't need the tech in question, they're entirely unaware of the tech or they accept certain/specific tech that assimilates to their way easily.

In the case of Gridania, I see it as an Amish situation. They don't want black powder because it'll make the elementals mad. Bows and spears make sense here, sourced from local materials.

Ul'dah similarly is run by essentially a mob. You wouldn't want your population to have high tech to become a threat to you.

Limsa honestly doesn't really make sense, unless we get some kinda weird lore retcon that actual inertial energy (aka projectiles) can beat magic shields, whereas lasers bounce off. Unless the cost of magic energy (Ceureleum/crystals) is high/unreasonable at a large scale. But then again, we have literal teleporters, and teleporters that can send without attunement so why are we even shipping things by boat at this point is beyond me.

None of this even mentioning the building-sized 3D printers we have on the moon. That's where the game is bonkers to me. How is anyone homeless at this point? or starving?