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    Quote Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia View Post
    is overall in a better place right now, even if you don't like it, is just delusional.
    I mean, overall better is going to depend on what you consider even relevant to the argument.
    - Does WoW have a golden saucer replacement?
    - Does WoW have a mahjong replacement?
    - Does WoW have gpose?
    - Does WoW have adventure plates?
    - Does WoW have social media character accounts with 10-20k+ followers that get messaged by irl companies by accident to have their in-game character sponsor irl products?
    - Does WoW have ()Mare Lamentorum()?
    - Does WoW have a permanent float emote?
    - Is WoW available on consoles at all?
    - Does WoW have a venue scene?
    - Does WoW have barding groups?
    - Does WoW let you play other games easily?
    - Does the creative director of WoW hop in game and do custom matches with top pvp players regularly?
    - Does the creative director of WoW hop in game and answer questions in in-game chat randomly?
    - Does WoW have a blue mage equivalent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus View Post
    I mean, overall better is going to depend on what you consider even relevant to the argument.
    - Does WoW have a golden saucer replacement?
    - Does WoW have a mahjong replacement?
    - Does WoW have gpose?
    - Does WoW have adventure plates?
    - Does WoW have social media character accounts with 10-20k+ followers that get messaged by irl companies by accident to have their in-game character sponsor irl products?
    - Does WoW have ()Mare Lamentorum()?
    - Does WoW have a permanent float emote?
    - Is WoW available on consoles at all?
    - Does WoW have a venue scene?
    - Does WoW have barding groups?
    - Does WoW let you play other games easily?
    - Does the creative director of WoW hop in game and do custom matches with top pvp players regularly?
    - Does the creative director of WoW hop in game and answer questions in in-game chat randomly?
    - Does WoW have a blue mage equivalent?
    The whole list its just cancer and basically belongs to Second Life (Gold Saucer ad Mahjon I would exclude)

    PVP scene have been dead since CC release and without Frontlines would be abandoned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnRam View Post
    PVP scene have been dead since CC release and without Frontlines would be abandoned.
    For NA and EU. JP's PvP Scene is basically each Data Center there had 2 NA data center's worth of active players. While our scene was dying and had weeks without playing, JP had matches regularly the entire season without fail, holidays included, for longer time periods each day as well. Their PvP tournaments are more frequent, have had up to a bil gil in prizes, and irl company sponsorships. Meanwhile CN's LP scene for PvP is so big that from what I've heard, they have more active players than NA, EU, OCE, and JP combined. CN And KR have their top 100/30/rank 1 rewards in a tournament format officially sponsored as opposed to ladders that can be wintrade instead so they have motivation to take PvP more serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus View Post
    For NA and EU. JP's PvP Scene is basically each Data Center there had 2 NA data center's worth of active players. While our scene was dying and had weeks without playing, JP had matches regularly the entire season without fail, holidays included, for longer time periods each day as well. Their PvP tournaments are more frequent, have had up to a bil gil in prizes, and irl company sponsorships. Meanwhile CN's LP scene for PvP is so big that from what I've heard, they have more active players than NA, EU, OCE, and JP combined. CN And KR have their top 100/30/rank 1 rewards in a tournament format officially sponsored as opposed to ladders that can be wintrade instead so they have motivation to take PvP more serious.
    Holy hell I went to bed, woke up, showered, make a grand breakfast, did some work, and you are STILL white knighting

    you need to ask for a raise bro
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    That in itself is a miracle and we should be grateful that we get a playable expansion or patch at all
    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    The reason lockouts exist in instances is so that you don’t have people hogging every single instance a la Stormblood’s “A System Error Occurred During Event Movement” or among other things, just not having the space to house every player instance. We saw that in Endwalker in fact with how hard they were selling and couldn’t fit everyone in at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunkyMarauder View Post
    Holy hell I went to bed, woke up, showered, make a grand breakfast, did some work, and you are STILL white knighting

    you need to ask for a raise bro
    And I woke up to 2-3 people repeating things to me that I already said earlier in the thread that they missed like they posted some type of counter-argument that would change things. Argument shifted from speaking about WoW staff's capabilities relative to industry staff, to game comparisons in every thing else that are primarily direction/goal differences and don't necessarily reflect on staff ability to hit said goal that they aren't even the one's making. If it wasn't for the occasional "WoW dissapointed me with this feature" that adds to the actual discussion of competency of goal completion, I probably would've dipped considering you're the just typical person to spam emotional sentiments and not get into objective, verifiable discussions. After a certain point, I don't engage in those conversations, unless I plan to take that person's money from a bet because I don't mind abusing emotional people for their future benefit of learning to check themselves before they talk carelessly too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus View Post
    And I woke up to 2-3 people repeating things to me that I already said earlier in the thread that they missed like they posted some type of counter-argument that would change things. Argument shifted from speaking about WoW staff's capabilities relative to industry staff, to game comparisons in every thing else that are primarily direction/goal differences and don't necessarily reflect on staff ability to hit said goal that they aren't even the one's making. If it wasn't for the occasional "WoW dissapointed me with this feature" that adds to the actual discussion of competency of goal completion, I probably would've dipped considering you're the just typical person to spam emotional sentiments and not get into objective, verifiable discussions. After a certain point, I don't engage in those conversations, unless I plan to take that person's money from a bet because I don't mind abusing emotional people for their future benefit of learning to check themselves before they talk carelessly too much.
    Blud the only thing you said in this entire thread was "iF ff14 hAsN't SOlVed iT thEn HoW caN WoW" in 3194386 different permutations
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiTia View Post
    That in itself is a miracle and we should be grateful that we get a playable expansion or patch at all
    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    The reason lockouts exist in instances is so that you don’t have people hogging every single instance a la Stormblood’s “A System Error Occurred During Event Movement” or among other things, just not having the space to house every player instance. We saw that in Endwalker in fact with how hard they were selling and couldn’t fit everyone in at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HunkyMarauder View Post
    Blud the only thing you said in this entire thread was "iF ff14 hAsN't SOlVed iT thEn HoW caN WoW" in 3194386 different permutations
    Don't call me blud. This is a forum about housing, I'm not about to match that energy if it's not in voice chat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidsentStatus View Post
    I mean, overall better is going to depend on what you consider even relevant to the argument.
    - Does WoW have a golden saucer replacement?
    - Does WoW have a mahjong replacement?
    - Does WoW have gpose?
    - Does WoW have adventure plates?
    - Does WoW have social media character accounts with 10-20k+ followers that get messaged by irl companies by accident to have their in-game character sponsor irl products?
    - Does WoW have ()Mare Lamentorum()?
    - Does WoW have a permanent float emote?
    - Is WoW available on consoles at all?
    - Does WoW have a venue scene?
    - Does WoW have barding groups?
    - Does WoW let you play other games easily?
    - Does the creative director of WoW hop in game and do custom matches with top pvp players regularly?
    - Does the creative director of WoW hop in game and answer questions in in-game chat randomly?
    - Does WoW have a blue mage equivalent?
    WoW doesn't have blue because WoW would just make blue a normal job, FFXIV had to limp noodle it because they can't figure out how to make jobs unique. Solid L for FFXIV with how they approached BLU in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    WoW doesn't have blue because WoW would just make blue a normal job, FFXIV had to limp noodle it because they can't figure out how to make jobs unique. Solid L for FFXIV with how they approached BLU in my book.
    WoW ain't much better with Evokers, a exclusive class on a race with very limited transmog options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    WoW ain't much better with Evokers, a exclusive class on a race with very limited transmog options.

    That it's limited to one race is silly, agreed. They did allow that race more jobs, but it would be nice to see a few more races be able to become evokers. It is better though, because they can partake in all content just like other jobs.
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