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    Quote Originally Posted by MAJRIS View Post
    go to bsky.app
    put "ffxiv" to search
    click to feeds

    what is the name of the biggest ffxiv feed group?
    Careful with the pearl-clutching there, might end up cutting circulation.
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    Alright, so far, all I’m seeing is both sides going back and forth bickering, but my main question still stands: what’s the big purpose here? Don’t we have bigger issues to deal with? Newsflash: every platform is going to have some political leanings, that’s just how the world works. Yet instead of focusing on what could be a positive outcome, people are talking more about Musk or debating what kind of crowd hangs out on Bluesky.

    Here’s the thing: for the company, there’s no real gain here. Most Bluesky users are still using Twitter (or X, or whatever it’s called now). So, why create an alternative platform that essentially mirrors the same thing, with fewer people on it. From what I can tell (and I’m not some social media addict), one platform leans left, the other leans right. Cool, great. So what? People play games to escape this constant left vs. right nonsense, not to keep drowning in it.

    Also, let’s be real: do you honestly think platforms like Bluesky will offer more or better information than what’s already on X? Probably not. Most of it is just copy-pasted content, something literally anyone can do. If it’s just about the game, what’s the problem with using X for that and Bluesky for other stuff?

    And here’s the kicker, can’t believe I’m defending a greedy company here, but they’re screwed no matter what they do. If they join Bluesky, they’ll anger the people who don’t care or doesnt want it to happen for whatever reason and even worse, risk losing money, which they obviously don’t want. If they stay on X, they’ll upset the Bluesky crowd. So instead of focusing on fixing the game and making it fun again, everyone’s here busy fighting over which platform to use. Great. Let’s just ignore the state of the game while this happens.

    Maybe I’m missing something here since I couldn’t care less about social media drama. If I am, someone explain it to me, because right now this all seems pointless.
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    I don't know if it's true that Bluesky users also use Twitter. I know it's not true for me.

    I'm also not sure why anyone would be angry if FFXIV joined Bluesky. They are already on multiple social media networks.

    Even if what you say is true and it's lose/lose wouldn't it make sense then to join Bluesky because they would potentially be reaching more people?

    Also the people doing social media are not the ones fixing the game, so I don't think that's a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wasselin View Post
    I don't know if it's true that Bluesky users also use Twitter. I know it's not true for me.

    I'm also not sure why anyone would be angry if FFXIV joined Bluesky. They are already on multiple social media networks.

    Even if what you say is true and it's lose/lose wouldn't it make sense then to join Bluesky because they would potentially be reaching more people?

    Also the people doing social media are not the ones fixing the game, so I don't think that's a concern.
    One word: Tribalism

    You know with simpler stuff like the question in the old days about what console you played or what soda you drank or what sports team you cheered for. But instead with social media platforms. About the whole "Either you are with us or against us" juvenile mentality.

    The reason somebody might get mad if FFXIV had also a bluesky account is because they might feel it is an act of betrayal. But to believe that sort of statement a person has to be unhinged. As to the normal person it makes sense a company is on whatever social media platform they feel will get them the most eyeballs on their product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Well, my guess would be that Bluesky is only a thing because all the people who couldn't tolerate others opinions on X had to create a new echo chamber.
    What kind of "opinions", exactly? Don't be shy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    All platforms have bias, and while X is not free of it, it does have a different approach than the other ones available in the US. Hence, it is important in its own right, to provide balance.
    TikTok has changed its algorithm to suppress the left in just the past few days.

    Facebook policy was updated so that you can call gay people mentally ill but calling people mentally ill in general is not allowed, in effect allowing targeted harassment only towards a specific minority group.

    What balance is there? These companies do not care about free speech, whether in 2016 or in 2024. They boost whoever has the most cultural and political power, and suppress people who don't. Their content policies sway in the zeitgeist like a dandelion.

    In 2016-2022 the left was ascendant and has the most cultural power. So they banned anyone who even dared question very ordinary things like whether school closures are worth it against a pandemic. Now that the right is ascendant they all collectively switched their tunes.

    Saying that X is there to "provide balance" is laughable. Throughout its history all Twitter has done is to boost the most powerful voices. Twitter/X is in effect a chameleon. Right now, Bluesky is the platform providing balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante131 View Post

    Also, let’s be real: do you honestly think platforms like Bluesky will offer more or better information than what’s already on X? Probably not. Most of it is just copy-pasted content, something literally anyone can do. If it’s just about the game, what’s the problem with using X for that and Bluesky for other stuff?
    I would expect FFXIV on X and Bluesky to provide identical information. This will mean that X and Bluesky users will have access to the same information. The problem with using X for FFXIV and Bluesky for everything else is: are you frickin kidding me?

    Meanwhile, absolutely nobody has explained in this thread why FFXIV adding Bluesky to the host of other SM platforms it currently uses would make anyone's life worse in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnotherHighlander View Post
    TikTok has changed its algorithm to suppress the left in just the past few days.

    Facebook policy was updated so that you can call gay people mentally ill but calling people mentally ill in general is not allowed, in effect allowing targeted harassment only towards a specific minority group.

    What balance is there? These companies do not care about free speech, whether in 2016 or in 2024. They boost whoever has the most cultural and political power, and suppress people who don't. Their content policies sway in the zeitgeist like a dandelion.

    In 2016-2022 the left was ascendant and has the most cultural power. So they banned anyone who even dared question very ordinary things like whether school closures are worth it against a pandemic. Now that the right is ascendant they all collectively switched their tunes.

    Saying that X is there to "provide balance" is laughable. Throughout its history all Twitter has done is to boost the most powerful voices. Twitter/X is in effect a chameleon. Right now, Bluesky is the platform providing balance.
    Huh, this is patently false. We know X broke the mold when it was acquired. If it had been part of the bandwagon it would’ve kept suppressing right leaning voices just like everyone else was doing back then.

    The fact Facebook realized their moderation teams were too politically biased was a self reflection they came to recently but might fit your argument better than X, as it is shifting with the politics.

    And while do not think blue sky is big enough to be relevant, it also is providing its own bias and could provide some balance, particularly if it was bigger. I just wouldn’t find it necessary to market my business there personally right now.
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    Below we have a transcription of what Naoki Yoshi-P Yoshida said at PAX:
    - "For some players, like me, I kind of get sleepy because it's so repetitive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ath192 View Post
    Huh, this is patently false. We know X broke the mold when it was acquired. If it had been part of the bandwagon it would’ve kept suppressing right leaning voices just like everyone else was doing back then.

    The fact Facebook realized their moderation teams were too politically biased was a self reflection they came to recently but might fit your argument better than X, as it is shifting with the politics.

    And while do not think blue sky is big enough to be relevant, it also is providing its own bias and could provide some balance, particularly if it was bigger. I just wouldn’t find it necessary to market my business there personally right now.
    Well that is not entirely true, Parler released in 2018 and broke the mold way earlier and ended up being a right wing platform. Gettr also tried to do that in 2021 and was right wing. Truth Social also came out in feburary 2022 which was Trump's platform, many months before Musk acquired twitter in the october of 2022. Which those created a chain reaction with Facebook and Xitter.

    The reason Gettr and Parler didn't catch on is the users realized they weren't getting their fix of being able to argue/harass their opponents on the left like what Xitter provided. And Truth Social is Trump's so that is why it has it's userbase of right wing.

    One of the common trends, pitfalls really, with right wing only social media platforms is they tend to devolve into cesspools. That the creators of those platforms claim about being unbiased and promoting free speech, but it devolves into frankly some of the worst stuff you can read or watch, and that is what is happening with Xitter in real time.

    Like just as one example, BMW. A german car company has decided it is going to stop using the Xitter account they have for marketing and updates and only for customer support. But they will do marketing and updates still for Instagram and Facebook.

    Why did that happen? Well very likely because of Elon Musk's stunt less than 48 hours after inauguration day that germans are not fond of. But rather than go over what he did, I want to illustrate that aspect with Elon and BMW. Because Elon has a long history with straining the relationship with companies that want to use Xitter for advertising, and that in turn Xitter has been losing money at an alarming rate in the 2 years since Elon obtained it. In fact there is clips online about how Elon Musk doesn't believe he needs advertising money for his platform.

    An average user is one thing, but companies not wanting to do business on certain social media platforms? That is another matter and thing to consider when one chooses to distance itself from a platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    Well that is not entirely true, Parler released in 2018 and broke the mold way earlier and ended up being a right wing platform. Gettr also tried to do that in 2021 and was right wing. Truth Social also came out in feburary 2022 which was Trump's platform, many months before Musk acquired twitter in the october of 2022. Which those created a chain reaction with Facebook and Xitter.

    The reason Gettr and Parler didn't catch on is the users realized they weren't getting their fix of being able to argue/harass their opponents on the left like what Xitter provided. And Truth Social is Trump's so that is why it has it's userbase of right wing.

    One of the common trends, pitfalls really, with right wing only social media platforms is they tend to devolve into cesspools. That the creators of those platforms claim about being unbiased and promoting free speech, but it devolves into frankly some of the worst stuff you can read or watch, and that is what is happening with Xitter in real time.

    Like just as one example, BMW. A german car company has decided it is going to stop using the Xitter account they have for marketing and updates and only for customer support. But they will do marketing and updates still for Instagram and Facebook.

    Why did that happen? Well very likely because of Elon Musk's stunt less than 48 hours after inauguration day that germans are not fond of. But rather than go over what he did, I want to illustrate that aspect with Elon and BMW. Because Elon has a long history with straining the relationship with companies that want to use Xitter for advertising, and that in turn Xitter has been losing money at an alarming rate in the 2 years since Elon obtained it. In fact there is clips online about how Elon Musk doesn't believe he needs advertising money for his platform.

    An average user is one thing, but companies not wanting to do business on certain social media platforms? That is another matter and thing to consider when one chooses to distance itself from a platform.
    I don't think Gettr, Parler and Truth Social are relevant platforms, same as blue sky, I wouldn't market my business on them either if it makes you feel better. X just has a giant userbase, so it makes sense to market there, as well as facebook/instagram.
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    Below we have a transcription of what Naoki Yoshi-P Yoshida said at PAX:
    - "For some players, like me, I kind of get sleepy because it's so repetitive."

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