Would you consider greedy DPS Mechanics on Tanks/Healers good or bad?

[TaleraRistain]

I believe that was what percentage-based heals were for? I know WHM has Benediction and SCH had Lustrate (and maybe Lilybell also wasn't affected by it?) at least

Lilybell didn't exist. It's honestly been too long for me to remember if Benediction was affected or not but that's a limited spell so we wouldn't have been using that all the time and groups would take a lot more avoidable damage than Bene could cover. It was like a 20% reduction in healing and that really hurt us a lot and hindered our ability to recover or rescue our group from stupid mistakes. And then they would get angry at us because they died/we wiped. And sometimes we really didn't have a leg to stand on because healing in cleric stance was a common meme.

[Supersnow845]

Lilybell didn't exist. It's honestly been too long for me to remember if Benediction was affected or not but that's a limited spell so we wouldn't have been using that all the time and groups would take a lot more avoidable damage than Bene could cover. It was like a 20% reduction in healing and that really hurt us a lot and hindered our ability to recover or rescue our group from stupid mistakes. And then they would get angry at us because they died/we wiped. And sometimes we really didn't have a leg to stand on because healing in cleric stance was a common meme.

Benediction was “affected” but there is no moderation that reduces “heal to full”

[Tint]

Lilybell didn't exist. It's honestly been too long for me to remember if Benediction was affected or not but that's a limited spell so we wouldn't have been using that all the time and groups would take a lot more avoidable damage than Bene could cover. It was like a 20% reduction in healing and that really hurt us a lot and hindered our ability to recover or rescue our group from stupid mistakes. And then they would get angry at us because they died/we wiped. And sometimes we really didn't have a leg to stand on because healing in cleric stance was a common meme.

Yes Benediction worked under Cleric Stance. And it still does in Bozja. But Benediction had a 5 minute cooldown back then. And heals were much weaker under Cleric Stance. It reduced the potency of healing spells by 20% additionally to swapping out your Mind and Intelligence stats. It's like trying to heal as a Summoner with Physick - with an additional 20% penalty. Under Cleric Stance there was no healing at all.

Plus we generally had less instant / off-GCD heals available back then. So the 5 second lockout from Cleric Stance was more a 7 second delay until the next heal lands becuase you had to hardcast it.

[Azurarok]

Lilybell didn't exist. It's honestly been too long for me to remember if Benediction was affected or not but that's a limited spell so we wouldn't have been using that all the time and groups would take a lot more avoidable damage than Bene could cover. It was like a 20% reduction in healing and that really hurt us a lot and hindered our ability to recover or rescue our group from stupid mistakes. And then they would get angry at us because they died/we wiped. And sometimes we really didn't have a leg to stand on because healing in cleric stance was a common meme.

Oh, I was talking about SCH's fairy. Been replaying the game lately so that's got me referring to her by name... except I didn't realize it was just Lily in english and folks usually thought of liturgy with that term.

[technole]

Cleric Stance was more sustainable then for both healers during the WHM/SCH days because fairy embrace could be forced onto the tank cause it once had a button, so you can just macro to always to target Embrace versus current behavior of lowest in-range, and before Lustrate was subject the cleric stance penalty. Of course there was very few oGCD healing, it was pretty rad when we got assize and indom.

[TaleraRistain]

Cleric Stance was more sustainable then for both healers during the WHM/SCH days because fairy embrace could be forced onto the tank cause it once had a button, so you can just macro to always to target Embrace versus current behavior of lowest in-range, and before Lustrate was subject the cleric stance penalty. Of course there was very few oGCD healing, it was pretty rad when we got assize and indom.

I love the Solace spells but I have a special place in my heart for Assize because it really was that game-changing. Also when they finally fixed WHM MP issues in Stormblood. I'm way out of the SCH lifestyle. I remember having Indom and thinking it was also sweet when last I played it actively, though.

The idea of cleric stance was never bad. It was just the implementation that really sucked. I wouldn't mind if they played with the idea a bit without handicapping us that severely by having it locked to something like a stance.

[ThaCa]

Having to choose between greeding or saving something for safety sadly will result to greeding almost 100% of time in NA and EU at least.

I would prefer seeing Tanks and Healers have more cyclical gameplay that teaches good habits and rewards doing their role, as example mitigating and healing builds DPS tools, DPSing builds mitigation and healing tools.

[Absurdity]

Having to choose between greeding or saving something for safety sadly will result to greeding almost 100% of time in NA and EU at least.

I would prefer seeing Tanks and Healers have more cyclical gameplay that teaches good habits and rewards doing their role, as example mitigating and healing builds DPS tools, DPSing builds mitigation and healing tools.

The problem for tanks would be that mitigating is currently barely even a mechanic, on top of being incredibly boring since it's overwhelmingly just fire-and-forget flat % damage reduction.

You press a cooldown every 90-120 seconds, maybe do a tank swap, or just press an invuln and that's the extent of "defensive gameplay". Sure, there is some optimization around using your short cooldown mitigation when you know it's back before the next buster and the even more rare Rampart to reduce auto-attacks.

Making that part play into your DPS tools however would be about as impactful as the "free" Edge of Shadows from TBN currently is.

[Azurarok]

Also like, I'm not asking for cleric stance and old tank stances to be returned to the entire role. Is being able to cater to different tastes not a big selling point for the job system?