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    Quote Originally Posted by Xrono_Amber View Post
    And unnamed characters or characters with a name who are introduced to us? Yeah, they can and will die on a whim. During the first assault of Tuliyollal, if I'm not mistaken, only one old lady with the name died. I can't recall where we interacted with her, but she's basically not much different from an unnamed character. During the massacre in Solution Nine, the only meaningful death is Otis.
    Specifically, the death count in Dawntrail that I built up at the time:
    -Sareel Ja (didn't turn out dead but we understandably thought so at the time)
    -That elderly woman you mentioned (I know she had a name, but I don't remember it)
    -Gulool Ja Ja
    -Namikka
    -Otis
    -Zoraal Ja
    -Robor
    -Alayla
    -Cahciua
    -Sphene

    You could understandably make some arguments around the Living Memory ones, but I'd argue that they did all have, for narrative purposes, on-screen 'deaths'. (I'm only counting Namikka and Otis once, though, I don't abide double-dipping.) That's actually a pretty hefty list as far as this game goes; again, the only one that can potentially beat it is Heavensward, which actually requires you get even more lenient on 'named characters' to get there; my personal definition is 'has a name and some level of on-screen defined personality', and most of the Heaven's Ward themselves don't even have the latter.

    As for the Scions: while I had a thing here explaining that I genuinely don't think any Scion that survived ARR will ever die... honestly, the reality is something you got close to, but didn't quite say.

    They don't want to kill the Scions; ergo, they don't have to. Everything else we're saying is just dancing around this point. Yes, they 'had the opportunity' to kill a few in Endwalker: they didn't, because they didn't want to. I can talk all I want about why Dawntrail's the wrong time to kill a Scion and that G'raha's an extremely safe kill if they ever want to... but they don't want to.

    I'm completely fine with that, provided they don't try to milk death scares for tension, and thankfully they've grown out of that since Shadowbringers. Endwalker found some juice in a couple 'how are we gonna save them' sequences, which I personally count differently, but even that can't be a common go-to.
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