Square Enix now threatens to send players to jail for criticizing their employees

[Sacae]

I've been here for years, and this is the absolute dumbest thread I've seen on this forum.

[ViinaS]

The literal one quote from her in the article is her saying that she does block them.

"Performing as the character Wuk Lamat, Bryer still received an onslaught of abuse, death threats, and doxxing attempts. “I’ve been hiding & blocking most of them but it’s been like this every single day, on every single tweet,” "

She just gets a lot of it. Every day. She very much has every right to complain here.

The issue is it's been half a year now.
The VA is still a very vitriolic person on social media with 'hot takes' and we haven't seen any proof of such harrassment but plenty of the VA defining criticism as harrassment.
Combined that nowadays victimhood is a perceived position of power I'd be very careful with the VAs own and unverified claims.

Sure even a normal person gets those rabid morons doing those things to them for normal takes nowadays
(Most recent example a certain group on twitter going ballistic at people pointing out the relationship between two characters in that LoL series).

I frankly kinda doubt the VA actually gets those daily especially since nothing was shown nor done so far.
All we got are unconfirmed claims. Minor celebrity or not as someone who has seen various people make such claims and ruin something only to be disproven when damage was done I am rather sceptical of the scale.

[ZephyrMenodora]

The literal one quote from her in the article is her saying that she does block them.

"Performing as the character Wuk Lamat, Bryer still received an onslaught of abuse, death threats, and doxxing attempts. “I’ve been hiding & blocking most of them but it’s been like this every single day, on every single tweet,” "

She just gets a lot of it. Every day. She very much has every right to complain here.

Anyone who has seen my comments about Wuk knows I'm not a fan. Of the character, her writing, and her acting. But never did I find it necessary to go after the actor on social media.

I personally think she got the role due to her friendship with the localizer, and she likely came at bargain basement pricing for the amount of lines she had compared to all of our esteemed voice actors in DT. But that doesn't mean I need to go complain to the actor for decisions made by Square Enix in the writing and casting.

It'd weird people take it so far. Even if someone does a bad job at something, it doesn't mean they should get death threats.

[LittleArrow]

I assumed most general public opinion would go this way, and understandably so depending on the majority of the reasonable points made in the policy and what is illegal in most countries. However, outright supporting a company with vast amounts of capital, a full legal department, and vague legal language is not only shortsighted, it's ignorant.

This is what put our games from being fully vetted products with few bugs and a complete story to the micro-transaction riddled messes we have today. Also, for everyone cheering at a company that is threatening their entire market thinking you could never be in that category is ridiculous. Saying mean things to someone over social media in America is called free speech. It is a protected right of its citizens. It is not unreasonable to deny anyone of their personality or call for non-violent repercussions be made against those who they feel have done them wrong. In England, you can be arrested for the same. There is a difference between illegal activities and nasty speech. That line is very blurred in countries that do not protect the speech of its citizens and those laws are drawn up by whatever political power is in place at the time, which is terrifying.

I figure most people here are very young. Take it from someone who's older; when you start to regulate speech with punishment, you may cheer now, but you'll cry when your side loses power and the tables are reversed. What constitutes as unreasonable is purely in the hands of the accuser and that is a very dangerous thing to cheer.

Lastly, I want to directly address the Stephanie Bryer situation. My personal thoughts on this actor's abilities; I didn't think they did a good job or a terrible job, I thought the writing was awful. I think opening up doors into careers is a good thing and everyone needs to learn. However, (allegedly b/c I think Bryer deleted this post) Bryer called for other voice actors to be fired due to a sexual orientation, which is discrimination. Just because it might have been discriminating in a direction you like, doesn't change the definition. By SE's own policy, Bryer should be taken to court or services should be cut off from Bryer.

That's the last post I'll make regarding this. At the end of the day, I don't even know if SE has any clout to stand on for the general public to care. FF7 sold well because most of us older games grew up on SquareSOFT. The rest of their games have been tanking. Then they threaten legal action in reference to illegal activity and employees having hurt feelings. Death threats are ILLEGAL and if I were Bryer, and this is as bad as Bryer says, I would go to the POLICE not my employer and start the legal process.

To be clear, I don't disagree with the majority of this policy. Obviously, SE can do what they want with their products. If they want to deny service to individuals who are committing illegal activities that is absolutely their right. However, the contrarian knee jerk of many posters here as well as the woefully ignorant and naive outlook people have thinking that the legal system cannot be stretched into ridiculous territories or people claiming to be receiving harassment when its actual criticism is disappointing.

[JimCasey_RF6]

Lastly, I want to directly address the Stephanie Bryer situation. My personal thoughts on this actor's abilities; I didn't think they did a good job or a terrible job, I thought the writing was awful. I think opening up doors into careers is a good thing and everyone needs to learn. However, Bryer called for other voice actors to be fired due to a sexual orientation, which is discrimination. Just because it might have been discriminating in a direction you like, doesn't change the definition. By SE's own policy, Bryer should be taken to court or services should be cut off from Bryer.

Didn't she also wear a shirt calling for transphobes to be sacrificed to Satan captioning it with the phrase "dress for the job you want". I wonder what kind of punishment that would get her with the updated policy.

[Rin_Sato]

This at a time when there's a stalking cheat people are using, that needs immediate attention?

Really... I guess we know they don't care about us...

[Krojack]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/squa...ant-be-normal/

L O L

criticizing and harassment aren't the same thing. If you harass someone then you open yourself up to legal actions in almost any country.

[Nero-Voidstails]

and if people would have been constructive would also have help over this because I aren't gonna lie some goes way to far

[Aviatorhead]

The issue is it's been half a year now.
The VA is still a very vitriolic person on social media with 'hot takes' and we haven't seen any proof of such harrassment but plenty of the VA defining criticism as harrassment.
Combined that nowadays victimhood is a perceived position of power I'd be very careful with the VAs own and unverified claims.

Sure even a normal person gets those rabid morons doing those things to them for normal takes nowadays
(Most recent example a certain group on twitter going ballistic at people pointing out the relationship between two characters in that LoL series).

I frankly kinda doubt the VA actually gets those daily especially since nothing was shown nor done so far.
All we got are unconfirmed claims. Minor celebrity or not as someone who has seen various people make such claims and ruin something only to be disproven when damage was done I am rather sceptical of the scale.

1. Bad twitter takes, regardless of vitriol doesn't mean you are free to hurl abuse/dox/send death threats to someone. That's ludicrous. Should you expect it if you do make dumb posts as a public figure? Yes, but that's because the internet is horrible and not because that is the appropriate response to someone making dumb posts.

2. I absolutely disagree with you here and I don't see why anyone would agree with you, seeing as your point is a gut feeling that means I have to assume both Sena and Yoship are lying for.. what? Attention? We have seen VAs and other producers from other stuff get loads of hate for reasons that don't even directly involve them ( big example being Brig from overwatch, her VA got loads of death threats for the crime of... The character she voices being balanced poorly.)

Sena's also trans so there's fuel to the fire. There's just loads of evidence to suggest people whoa re upset with her performance are trying to go after her, and not a lot of reason for her, or the company she works for to lie about it.

[Yshnal]

When I saw this yesterday, it was the last nail in the coffin that made me cancel my FFXIV sub, since I was already on the brink of doing so due to the current state of the game. In other words, as it seems that from now on the only way to express my opinion as a customer that is guaranteed to be safe is my wallet, I'm letting it talk and save myself from any potential future headaches.

Because I can't trust them in regards to how they'll actually use this policy. While I agree that most of it is common sense and a good thing, it's also true that that part is already covered in the local laws of every place where FFXIV is providing service. However, the rest of the policy looks just like the perfect tool so that it can be abused by people that have a very blurry definition on what's actually harrassment and the rest. Maybe that's not their intention, but the potential danger is there and we know that there're crazy people both in the customers' side as well as in the "victims" one, not just in the former. We have a recent history in the gaming industry of people playing victim or taking it as a personal attack when customers just dislike their product or their contribution to it and voice their criticisms, or when they react to such people insulting the fans, etc., and how they lash out against every critic as if they had actually done something terrible to them.

All in all, they could deny you access to your FFXIV account if they (someone over at Square-Enix) deem that you were being abusive, intimidating, coercitive, personal attacking, denying their personality, persistent, etc., in their eyes outside of the game, and there won't be any external eyes to dictate if it actually was the case (like it happens if they rely just in the law). They might never do it, but since the risk is there most of the reasonable people with valid concerns and criticisms will feel coerced into not saying anything publicly. Those people seem to me the main target of this, since the obvious cases of bad people (which we all know that this policy won't stop) can and should already be taken care by the legal system. And that might be the real intention behind this, which I can't support either.