Garuda Weapons are weaker than Mog!!

[Lux_Rayna]

What's your problem? I can't call them garbage even though they're almost certainly just that? Please drop the obession with political correctness and beating around the bush. It serves nobody.


They probably do give extra AA damage, but 1) AA damage is only a small part of your total damage output and 2) your stat caps are lower, so if the rest of your gear is really good you may even lose AA damage using these.

Personally, I doubt these would touch Ifrit's even if they didn't lower your stat caps because WS produce most of your damage and they don't care about delay one bit.

You have multiple stats for a reason. So what if your stat cap is lowered, you can then pump up another related stat. For instance if my STR cap is lowered thanks to Garuda, I can give some much needed love to my attack stat. If that cap is lowered (im not sure if those stats lower), then I can give much needed love to my crit attack stat until that hits some cap.

This is what I mean by thinking outside the box. You forget other game elements exist because you've narrowed down your focus to a very very very small range of numbers. In this way, Garuda can easily balance with Ifrit weapons...well in theory anyway. It depends how much the stat caps lower, and by how much that actually affects your dmg output. In the end to call them trash is probably a gross exaggeration. You, as a player, have to learn to adapt to different styles.

For this reason I say the dev team is smarter than all of us. They know the intricacies of the game and how different stat combinations work out, combinations we havent even really studied or tested yet!! How can you say then, with such conviction, that Garuda weapons aren't even viable. Obviously dev team takes something into account that you don't. Instead of blinding yourself, try expanding your knowledge, remaining open-minded, and testing the millions of other possibilities out there.

[Colino]

Maybe you guys noticed but some of the crafted weapons have HIGHER base dmg than IFRIT'S! Kind of excited now.

Yet they're class only so mostly good for soloing, not for parties.

[Krausus]

I would prefer lower damage lower delay, if done right it gives more dps, it gives more tp which means more weapon skills, low delay and dmg but high dps > high dmg and delay but low dps.

Only time you want high dmg and delay is for WS, but it will need a parse to see whats better, also the crit att power on some and additional wind damage bring the parse up.

Yeah I'm willing to bet that if you get in an extra weaponskill or 2 in a fight because of the lower delay it will make up for or exceed the lower damage of the weapon skills themselves

[Frein]

You have multiple stats for a reason. So what if your stat cap is lowered, you can then pump up another related stat. For instance if my STR cap is lowered thanks to Garuda, I can give some much needed love to my attack stat. If that cap is lowered (im not sure if those stats lower), then I can give much needed love to my crit attack stat until that hits some cap.

This is what I mean by thinking outside the box. You forget other game elements exist because you've narrowed down your focus to a very very very small range of numbers. In this way, Garuda can easily balance with Ifrit weapons...well in theory anyway. It depends how much the stat caps lower, and by how much that actually affects your dmg output. In the end to call them trash is probably a gross exaggeration. You, as a player, have to learn to adapt to different styles.

For this reason I say the dev team is smarter than all of us. They know the intricacies of the game and how different stat combinations work out, combinations we havent even really studied or tested yet!! How can you say then, with such conviction, that Garuda weapons aren't even viable. Obviously dev team takes something into account that you don't. Instead of blinding yourself, try expanding your knowledge, remaining open-minded, and testing the millions of other possibilities out there.

These stats have already been tested. Most classes only have two attributes that affect damage and they're STR and whatever seconday stat the class uses. Both are capped (for WS, AA caps even earlier) at IIRC roughly ~350 and ~310 respectively when using Ifrit's weapons. Both caps are very reachable simultaneously, after which you'll have to focus on other, less effective, stats like attack power, or even worse, crit power/rate. The catch is, of course, that those stats are less effective, so your plan to circumvent the stat caps by loading up on ATK isn't going to produce the desired result of giving equal performance.

I don't need to test every gear set separately to draw reasonable conclusions because the individual stats the items are comprised of have been tested.

[Krausus]

Yea I was disappointed with this, CNJ weapon just looks like another trophy .. I mean Wind potency .. I think someone forget to tell SE CNJ/WHM is a healer.



Fair enough lets see what you get on the parser
Lets hope it don't take as long for you to get Garuda Fist though or we could be waiting a while.

well based on BG drops (everyone got 2 tokens for 1 kill) it will take 20 wins just to buy a weapon unless they just got really lucky and everyone just so happened to get 2 tokens for that run.

[Zdenka]

You also forgot to take into account that any ability or WS used resets the swing timer.

Maybe if that wasn't the case the quicker delay weapons would have a viable set up, but since its not most of the Garuda weapons are side/down grades from what we currently have.

Obtw Sanction Weapons are pretty beast when you pay for the Sanction buff to be active, and some of them are stronger than Ifrit Weapons when you do.

[Fionlagh]

@ Frein hrmm... the "politcally correct" card, not surprised, goes pretty well with all the rest of your mentally lazy way of thinking.
its garbage to you, i get that, you're purely talking in the context of min/max, thats who you are, what you as a player only put value on.
youre a keyboard wizard, a dork , in game youre cool though, you use math lmao

you know what though, you win this arguement, solely based on the fact that your numbers are bigger than mine
we all know big numbers are cool, we all play to see those cool numbers on the screen

[Frein]

@ Frein hrmm... the "politcally correct" card, not surprised, goes pretty well with all the rest of your mentally lazy way of thinking.
its garbage to you, i get that, you're purely talking in the context of min/max, thats who you are, what you as a player only put value on.
youre a keyboard wizard, a dork , in game youre cool though, you use math lmao

you know what though, you win this arguement, solely based on the fact that your numbers are bigger than mine
we all know big numbers are cool, we all play to see those cool numbers on the screen

So if big numbers aren't your thing, what exactly are you planning on using this stuff for? Role-play some kind of wind warrior?

Gotta love this type of anti-intellectualism. Math is bad! Knowledge is bad! Reason is bad! Let's instead praise the irrational and the ignorant and not worry about a thing, am I right?

[KoujiGeki]

more ws's are nice but i imagine this will be like the Soboro for sam its ok for solo but in pts ppl would yell at you unless you were /rng

[Elexia]

Obtw Sanction Weapons are pretty beast when you pay for the Sanction buff to be active, and some of them are stronger than Ifrit Weapons when you do.

This again also raises the 'overtime' argument. Sanction weapons are useful for only 180 minutes at a time in terms of being 'more powerful', ifrit weapons are eternally powerful.