Chaotic is a masterpiece of content but points out other issues with the game.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

To be fair both BA and DRS are locked behind grindy field exploration content. They're also twice as large as 24-man raid groups. I feel like Chaotic would still be more accessible down the road.

I don't know why ppl want always to make Eurake and Bozja sound so bad just bc they were grindy... I would kill for something kinda grindy right now. For both EW and the beginning of DT, I only log in prog savage or some other new hard fight but I have nothing to just relax and have in. The relic grind before EW is what kept me playing this game, working on stuff in both Eurakes kept me engaged in the game and let me do things outside raid nights. The fact we do have have anything to grind for is the problem with FF14 right now. Yes I know we getting another field exploration but it should been released in this patch and not CAR. We didn't need yet another savage-level content, we just got Ultimate just a month ago and Im sure ppl are still working on FRU. Either way yes BA and DRS may be locked behind a "grindy field exploration" but that's not a bad thing, it gave ppl something to work on and a reason to play the game.

[AnnRam]

It having a pricetag of 50m to 100m+ does not make that affordable for casual players.

+10000000.

In fact Chaotic shouldn't have rewards at all, casuals players and noobs who barely touch the game should get everything for free or move the rewards to the cash shop, I would pay 30 bucks for the hairstyle so my beloved devs shouldn't have to work hard.

You know what? remove chaotic, it was a mistake think about the casuals, think about mare people or modbeasts, the game should be 1000% focused to them.

[ExiaKuromonji]

I dunno if I came off on not liking Eureka or Bozja but I actually really loved both of those pieces of content. My only point was that there were some sort of barrier (even if it was small) to unlocking those alliance raids. Chaotic Alliance has literally no barrier to entry, and I feel like it might play a small role in the issues we're seeing with it. And on a somewhat side note: I don't think requiring a full clear of the current savage tier is a good idea for that barrier which I've seen some people bring up.

[Alice_Rivers]

So many people getting worked up over a hairstyle... A hairstyle that won't even outlive the content it's gated behind. Could Chaotic itself be better gated? Yeah, it could be gated behind EX1 or 2, but I'm not sure that's strictly necessary. It only took me a week and a half to clear with all the "p2 prog" parties being made p1 prog, even a kill party that started from two enrages became p2 prog but that is, I think, the biggest problem with Chaotic. The other point of frustration is Looming Chaos - It's a cool idea on paper but really bad the way they've done it.

[MAJRIS]

Multiple people on separate occasion told me they will rather "swipe" and get it from marketboard to avoid emotional trauma or putting actual effort and time to grind it.
Personally I want to learn the fight, and am looking forward to do the chaotic raid, but can't unsee the increased RMT ads spam every time the new marketable content drops.

What are the options for developer to go from here to make majority of players happy? untradeable personal drop? no cute things behind savage?

[Khryseis_Astra]

The only ppl who say gil is useless are those who have lots of it mainly crafters and gathers... For the most part, casual players are not making that much gil a week to even afford a 50mil hairstyle.

I play about 5-6 hours a night, more on weekends, and I have like 42.5 mil. Any one of the tradeable rewards would take most of that, or be way over that. So I grind my way through trying to clear, at least enough times to get the glam gear. When this content dries up those rewards are going to skyrocket, and be out of reach for most players.

It’s not so much that they gave CAR a hairstyle, though I agree with those who say it’s disappointing when we get so few of those, and so rarely. For one thing, it’s the fact that it’s so hard to obtain, because the content is hard enough to make coordinating 24 people to farm undesirable, especially as first-timer bonuses start to dry up, making the price continue to rise for those that would rather just buy it. But the main issue is the hairstyle doesn’t even go with the raid… if they had made the Cloud’s or the Stygian’s hair the hairstyle reward, I don’t think you’d hear as many complaints. But it’s a long hairstyle, which is rare enough, with ribbons and flowers in it. It doesn’t match the content. There was some muttering about the P12S mount too, but at least that was connected to the lore of the raid environment.

[Kaurhz]

Multiple people on separate occasion told me they will rather "swipe" and get it from marketboard to avoid emotional trauma or putting actual effort and time to grind it.
Personally I want to learn the fight, and am looking forward to do the chaotic raid, but can't unsee the increased RMT ads spam every time the new marketable content drops.

What are the options for developer to go from here to make majority of players happy? untradeable personal drop? no cute things behind savage?

I would have preferred the hairstyle to be by default, I would prefer this with all cases just due to the nature of how poor and limited character customization is in this game, and the nature of this type of content having poor shelf life.

But if we were intent on keeping it as an in-game reward (which don't get me wrong, I can see good reasons for this, Just don't think they outweigh the above), and to create a middle-ground in the argument for everyone...

Then I think the best approach to this would have been a 2-tiered difficulty. Both tiers provide the tradeable rewards, albeit with the easier version being a little bit more of a grind, and then the harder version being less of a grind to compensate for the increased difficulty. Players that enjoy the harder difficulty can do so necessarily without the game arbitrarily trying to funnel everyone into content equivalent of early-savage, and then players that are feeling underappreciated by the developers, like a lot of casuals are, would still have their content and a grind behind it.

There's a lot of stress with this content because I think a lot of people know it won't have a lot of shelf-life and combined with the fact of First-Time bonus, just means the general grind for this won't get any easier over time, but rather more tedious and annoying, especially if they release a subsequent Chaotic.

In general the content structure of this game doesn't really go well with some of the rewards placed in this content (or in some other areas of the game)

[Connor]

. But the main issue is the hairstyle doesn’t even go with the raid… if they had made the Cloud’s or the Stygian’s hair the hairstyle reward, I don’t think you’d hear as many complaints. But it’s a long hairstyle, which is rare enough, with ribbons and flowers in it. It doesn’t match the content. There was some muttering about the P12S mount too, but at least that was connected to the lore of the raid environment.

This is basically the only problem I actually have with the ‘chaotic rewards’. Like, the fact that it’s a hairstyle doesn’t bother me (tbf it’s kinda ugly; it’s just not my style lol), but they’ve clearly just picked up a random asset they have on the floor and were like ‘hey lets stuff this one in too so more people do it’.

Like, if it was vaguely ‘Cloud of Darkness’ styled or the reward something crazy was like, ‘you can now change your skin colour to green and stripey’ (lol) it’d make total sense. But I just don’t see how ‘pretty princess flower girl (now with added clipping lol)’ hairstyle relates to a Cloud of Darkness raid

[Xerosleep]

I would have preferred the hairstyle to be by default, I would prefer this with all cases just due to the nature of how poor and limited character customization is in this game, and the nature of this type of content having poor shelf life.

But if we were intent on keeping it as an in-game reward (which don't get me wrong, I can see good reasons for this, Just don't think they outweigh the above), and to create a middle-ground in the argument for everyone...

Then I think the best approach to this would have been a 2-tiered difficulty. Both tiers provide the tradeable rewards, albeit with the easier version being a little bit more of a grind, and then the harder version being less of a grind to compensate for the increased difficulty. Players that enjoy the harder difficulty can do so necessarily without the game arbitrarily trying to funnel everyone into content equivalent of early-savage, and then players that are feeling underappreciated by the developers, like a lot of casuals are, would still have their content and a grind behind it.

There's a lot of stress with this content because I think a lot of people know it won't have a lot of shelf-life and combined with the fact of First-Time bonus, just means the general grind for this won't get any easier over time, but rather more tedious and annoying, especially if they release a subsequent Chaotic.

In general the content structure of this game doesn't really go well with some of the rewards placed in this content (or in some other areas of the game)

Technically this fight is 2 tiered, the easy tier been the final boss of the World of Darkness lol, and yes mixed with E9

[Kaurhz]

Technically this fight is 2 tiered, the easy tier been the final boss of the World of Darkness lol, and yes mixed with E9

I wouldn't really go that far. It borrows themes from them, but it would be a different experience entirely tbh.

By two tiers, I am referencing it being scaled to level 100, exclusively a single boss, and around the BA difficulty-level for the easier version, which would put it between the difficulty of normal and extreme, which content of this level has been very widely requested.

As far as I am concerned not doing it, and then lollygagging around the "But you can do a decade old piece of content, and a normal mode 8-man from 4 years ago" - Is just a complete missed opportunity since they've built Chaotic already, and is a misunderstanding of what the request actually is.