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    Aviatorhead's Avatar
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    Honey Slaughter
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    50mil gil for hair is ridiculous. I personally don't want the hair, but I can see why someone would be upset if their options are run this chaotic that they either can't run or have no interest in, or fork up enough money to buy a mansion and furnish it. (No, 50/25 mil gil is not the sort of cash a casual can accrue easily, not even by doing dailies lol)
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviatorhead View Post
    50mil gil for hair is ridiculous. I personally don't want the hair, but I can see why someone would be upset if their options are run this chaotic that they either can't run or have no interest in, or fork up enough money to buy a mansion and furnish it. (No, 50/25 mil gil is not the sort of cash a casual can accrue easily, not even by doing dailies lol)
    Considering casual content generates the most money in this game saying that money Can’t be accrued easily by a casual is wrong, high end content is by and large a drain on people’s finances
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Well what do you mean by casual content here? Because most players I know regardless of their playstyle, aren't walking around with 50mil to spare, and it would probably take a while to get that sort of money if they aren't spamming maps every day. Dailies won't get you that sort of cash any time soon.
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    Dorion Borstein
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aviatorhead View Post
    Well what do you mean by casual content here? Because most players I know regardless of their playstyle, aren't walking around with 50mil to spare, and it would probably take a while to get that sort of money if they aren't spamming maps every day. Dailies won't get you that sort of cash any time soon.
    Crafting will. Crafting is casual content and can net 50m way faster than raiding or dailies.
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    Viina Sixstep
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabril View Post
    Crafting will. Crafting is casual content and can net 50m way faster than raiding or dailies.
    Crafting is anything but casual. Casual crafting will net you not even close to that amount. Crafters have to invest into almost all their classes, stockpile and know what's needed.
    And then the Marketboard war of undercutting starts.
    If you don't babysit the Marketboard and try to sell in-demand stuff youll sell nothing as your prices wont hold for even half an hour.
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    Jessa Marko
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Considering casual content generates the most money in this game saying that money Can’t be accrued easily by a casual is wrong, high end content is by and large a drain on people’s finances
    Is that actually true? I genuinely don't know. There were raiders on Reddit reporting making 80 million+ within the first couple of days of CAR, but maybe that's not usually the case?
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    Lila Pop
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    Faerie
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    Is that actually true? I genuinely don't know. There were raiders on Reddit reporting making 80 million+ within the first couple of days of CAR, but maybe that's not usually the case?
    "Casual content generates the most..."
    "Raiders on Reddit reporting making 80 million+"

    I'll let you see where you messed up.
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    Rose Blackstorm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Considering casual content generates the most money in this game saying that money Can’t be accrued easily by a casual is wrong, high end content is by and large a drain on people’s finances
    I don't understand this notion where raiders spend a lot of gil on food and pot is coming from...I used to be on Jenova like you and I raided all the time and never spent that much gil on anything for raiding. Shoot back in ShB I used to make food and pots for sale and I stopped bc the prices were set so low that it wasn't even worth the sale of them. Not to mention that those who are in statics tend not to buy anything bc the odds are they have at least one person in the static that can craft stuff for the team. Doing savage and ultmates does not drain that much gil for you lol Unless you potting every single pull and if you are that so dumb XD You only pot when you going for the clear.
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    Asuka Kirai
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MrJPtheAssassin View Post
    I don't understand this notion where raiders spend a lot of gil on food and pot is coming from...I used to be on Jenova like you and I raided all the time and never spent that much gil on anything for raiding. Shoot back in ShB I used to make food and pots for sale and I stopped bc the prices were set so low that it wasn't even worth the sale of them. Not to mention that those who are in statics tend not to buy anything bc the odds are they have at least one person in the static that can craft stuff for the team. Doing savage and ultmates does not drain that much gil for you lol Unless you potting every single pull and if you are that so dumb XD You only pot when you going for the clear.
    You can spend a bit of Gil on gear on the early stages of the patch tbh. You can expect to see prices between 15-20M, and this isn't including world prog players that usually buy an Ornate piece with Wondrous Tales either, which is quite a lot on its own. But I think the notion that casual players don't really have a spending outlet is the most ridiculous notion you can probably have, there's several directly high costing mounts, and then between cosmetics and any additional minions or mounts a player may buy, it really stacks up. I'm a casual but I can quite easily spend 100-200M per major patch.

    A lot of hardcore crafting statics that do week 1 usually actually rely on external crafters to the static, it's a very common practice, as the gear is not really needed for most until the third turn, so it allows for prog whilst crafters are churning away. Some statics will organize a handful of crafters, and some others may turn around and say it's the individual members' responsibility to ensure they find a crafter. The amount of strays I find on the first day or two is a lot.

    I think generally people underestimate just how expensive it can be if you collect mounts/minions/cosmetics. But frankly, the whole reception and generally how dismissive people have been on this unironically makes me wish the OG concealed/favor nodes would return, because you know, apparently too much in this game is handed off as a freebie, and apparently casual players have very little reason at all to purchase this gear.
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    Last edited by Kaurhz; 01-01-2025 at 10:56 PM.

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    Rose Blackstorm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
    You can spend a bit of Gil on gear on the early stages of the patch tbh. You can expect to see prices between 15-20M, and this isn't including world prog players that usually buy an Ornate piece with Wondrous Tales either, which is quite a lot on its own. But I think the notion that casual players don't really have a spending outlet is the most ridiculous notion you can probably have, there's several directly high costing mounts, and then between cosmetics and any additional minions or mounts a player may buy, it really stacks up. I'm a casual but I can quite easily spend 100-200M per major patch.

    A lot of hardcore crafting statics that do week 1 usually actually rely on external crafters to the static, it's a very common practice, as the gear is not really needed for most until the third turn, so it allows for prog whilst crafters are churning away. Some statics will organize a handful of crafters, and some others may turn around and say it's the individual members' responsibility to ensure they find a crafter. The amount of strays I find on the first day or two is a lot.

    I think generally people underestimate just how expensive it can be if you collect mounts/minions/cosmetics. But frankly, the whole reception and generally how dismissive people have been on this unironically makes me wish the OG concealed/favor nodes would return, because you know, apparently too much in this game is handed off as a freebie, and apparently casual players have very little reason at all to purchase this gear.
    I guess if you are a day one raider sure...but I feel most raiders are not day one/world prog raiders. I never buy gear myself, I prefer to use my BiS gear over spending mils on gear that just going to be replaced in a few weeks. Also, I feel a lot of those types of raiders also have ppl who make their gear for them as well just like pots and food. I just don't think raiders are spending every single gil they have on raid food, pots, and gear.
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