Why do casual players seem entitled to cosmetic items added in game?

[Mawlzy]

If the only way for you to get a haircut was to take a very specific job you don't like, would you try it then?

I swear I'm not making this up: I haven't had a haircut IRL since 2002.

But I understand what you're getting at, and the answer is still no. The only partial exception I can think of I mentioned elsewhere. I ran Copied Factory three times in a row to get the boots. But I didn't dislike Copied Factory, I just wouldn't have run it three times in the same session were it not for the boots.

[hydralus]

I swear I'm not making this up: I haven't had a haircut IRL since 2002.

But I understand what you're getting at, and the answer is still no. The only partial exception I can think of I mentioned elsewhere. I ran Copied Factory three times in a row to get the boots. But I didn't dislike Copied Factory, I just wouldn't have run it three times in the same session were it not for the boots.

I think a lot of folks are in the same boat. To add in my own experience, FATEs are not something I would call fun but also not exactly something I dislike. However, the only way to get the Sharlayan night theme was to do 480 of them. Can't even buy it. The draw of being able to chill in my apartment with that music was enough to get me to grind something I don't particularly care for. I suppose there's something to be said for a sense of accomplishment after hours of tedium. Except instead of developing an actual skill it's just pissing away the only life we have on virtual numbers.

[Collin_Sky]

Why do those who enjoy hardcore content need incentives? I thought the point was to "beat the game." If success beating or enjoying the fight isn't reward enough in itself and these folks want to flex, give them a title. We could have a contest to come up with some suitable ones.

I'm going to do something once or twice because it's fun.
I'm going to keep doing that thing many, many more times because it's fun and rewarding.
If you can't understand this concept, then idk what to tell you. Maybe you don't understand the RPG part of MMORPG.

[Mawlzy]

I think a lot of folks are in the same boat. To add in my own experience, FATEs are not something I would call fun but also not exactly something I dislike. However, the only way to get the Sharlayan night theme was to do 480 of them. Can't even buy it. The draw of being able to chill in my apartment with that music was enough to get me to grind something I don't particularly care for. I suppose there's something to be said for a sense of accomplishment after hours of tedium. Except instead of developing an actual skill it's just pissing away the only life we have on virtual numbers.

Right, and I'm sure one can create edge cases. Like if someone offered me $5/word for a 300-word article on current slot promotions in Las Vegas, I'd likely do it even though it'd be tedious because it would take me 90 minutes tops.

[Mawlzy]

I'm going to do something once or twice because it's fun.
I'm going to keep doing that thing many, many more times because it's fun and rewarding.
If you can't understand this concept, then idk what to tell you. Maybe you don't understand the RPG part of MMORPG.

If it's fun, then I completely understand why you'd keep doing it. The discussion centered on being incentivized to do content one does not find fun.

[Collin_Sky]

If it's fun, then I completely understand why you'd keep doing it. The discussion centered on being incentivized to do content one does not find fun.

This response has nothing to do with the post I quoted.

[BrokenFantasy]

All content should have rewards. Cosmetics are a great way to add rewards to content without making the activity mandatory for character progression.

It's actually you who has no reasoning to back their argument. It's literally just a case of "I want the rewards but I don't want to do the content therefore the reward should not be locked behind the content", i.e. entitlement.

You're the one with a selfish opinion who is defending this nonsense of locking a good rewards behind difficult content. Therefore you have to provide a very good reasoning to back that selfish opinion up, which you have not done. Literally nobody is saying that content shouldn't have rewards.

My main point is that it wouldn't kill the devs two provide multiple ways of earning the same reward. And before you point out that the market board is a thing, not everyone has the appetite for mindlessly grinding out millions of gil for high demand items.

At the end of the day this is just another cheap and lazy way for the days to keep people hooked on their subscriptions without actually implementing any meaningful content.

[Mawlzy]

This response has nothing to do with the post I quoted.

Apologies.

So your point is, you'll do something once or twice because it's fun, but then you'll only do it many, many more times if you get a reward. Okay. I don't pay your sub etc. Do what you like (?)

[Arrius]

And before you point out that the market board is a thing, not everyone has the appetite for mindlessly grinding out millions of gil for high demand items.

It's not even difficult to make money - Hell, just doing roulettes to cap out the 450 tomestones/week brings a bit of cash, even more when you play roles that are in Need.
Cash out the other tomes for materials/soil and you got a few hundred-thousands every few days alone on that.

And that's before sending out retainers and gathering/processing mats with DoL/H jobs.

[Volgia]

So chaotic came out, and I've seen multiple posters on the forums making statements along the line of

"The hairstyle should not have been added in chaotic when SE knows lots of casual players will want it"

Why do some people feel entitled to cosmetic items such as this? I genuinely don't get it. It's obviously there either: as a reward to players doing difficult content, or as a means to encourage people to step out of their comfort zone.
Even so, it's purchasable on the market board, so why is it such a problem?

To me I'd challenge that if you're a true casual, you're unlikely to even find this forum to post stuff like that to begin with.

But given that this place is the only means players get an official place where to complain it's just people who are anxious about having to do things that require team work or even a crumb of social compliance to get through a piece of content. More than "casual players", I'd just call them the "Anti-MMO" players that CBU3 fostered by their "Final Fantasy first, MMO second" philosophy.

They should add more stuff like this for savage, and for it to be sold on the Marketplace, it kind of fosters some economy and it plays into the fantasy of the adventurer bringing back actual treasure. Don't wanna do the content? Do some gil and pay for the treasure the adventurers bring back. It sounds perfect to me.