Chaotic is a masterpiece of content but points out other issues with the game.

[ReynTime]

Nobody is entitled to every reward in the game. You want it you work for it, directly (do the content) or indirectly (Market Board).
Those who get it from the market board in turn motivate more committed players to re-run the content to sell the reward if they can use the gil.

If Japanese servers can achieve over 40% clear rate in savage content maybe the "casuals" in the US servers need to get over it and stop making excuses.

[Clockworks]

Nobody is entitled to every reward in the game. You want it you work for it, directly (do the content) or indirectly (Market Board).
Those who get it from the market board in turn motivate more committed players to re-run the content to sell the reward if they can use the gil.

Its an hairstyle in a game that refuses to provide hairstyles to players because of "engine limitations"

Lmao. The fact people manage to defend this is hilarious.

[Mimilu]

It's an hairstyle in a game that is already extremely limited customization wise lmao.

Are we going to gatekeep hairstyles too now as the new thing ?

What's next ? Savage only eyes skin ? Savage only skin colors ? Why not savage only lips while we're at it ?

They should have Gaia's overdrawn lips drop from FRU! ♥~ ლ(◉❥◉ ლ)

[Kaurhz]

Why does it need to be affordable for casual players?

To be honest, it's a character customization option in a game that is already severely lacking in character customization options. It's the exact same issue with putting a good amount of hairstyles etc., behind the Mogstation.

This usually wouldn't be an issue for games but SE does not know how to implement long-form content, and the game design doesn't lend itself to long form. Historically large scale content has not lent itself to being long-form either, and it's as much of a concern with Chaotic as it is with BA or DRS, albeit magnified.

Let's be real, in a few months by the time 7.2 creeps around, this content will be on life support with Discord, like it is for BA/DRN/DRS

[MrJPtheAssassin]

People always say Gil is useless. Well, time to put that Gil to use.

The only ppl who say gil is useless are those who have lots of it mainly crafters and gathers... For the most part, casual players are not making that much gil a week to even afford a 50mil hairstyle.

[BigCheez]

To be honest, it's a character customization option in a game that is already severely lacking in character customization options. It's the exact same issue with putting a good amount of hairstyles etc., behind the Mogstation.

This usually wouldn't be an issue for games but SE does not know how to implement long-form content, and the game design doesn't lend itself to long form. Historically large scale content has not lent itself to being long-form either, and it's as much of a concern with Chaotic as it is with BA or DRS, albeit magnified.

Let's be real, in a few months by the time 7.2 creeps around, this content will be on life support with Discord, like it is for BA/DRN/DRS

Severely lacking in character customisation options? How many hairstyles are there in the game?

Personally, I think BA/DRS and the communities that organise runs for them are great. Engaging with that content is honestly the most that I've felt like I was actually playing an MMO during my time with XIV.

[Voidmage]

Personally, I think BA/DRS and the communities that organise runs for them are great. Engaging with that content is honestly the most that I've felt like I was actually playing an MMO during my time with XIV.

Really? In just another trial?
Not judging but for me personally the only time this game has a spark of mmo is in field content (Eureka in the beginning more than Bozja).

@Topic and OP

Just curious.
What is your opinion on the entry ilvl and there being no "entryhurdle" into chaotic as well as the bonus reward system.
Do you see it as a "trap" for casuals or do you think otherwise?
From all I have seen it does a terrible job of telling what kind of content this is.

[Kaurhz]

Severely lacking in character customisation options? How many hairstyles are there in the game?

Personally, I think BA/DRS and the communities that organise runs for them are great. Engaging with that content is honestly the most that I've felt like I was actually playing an MMO during my time with XIV.

Yes it is still severely lacking in character customization options, and especially ones that are long hairstyles, it has long been a request, as much as it has been with beards/goatee for male characters. You would have the exact same reception with these as what you would with this hairstyle if you suddenly elected to lock a new facial hair behind content that doesn't function long-form

I am not disputing whether the communities are great or not, that is not the point. It's irrelevant. It is still short-form content that will still eventually be reliant on life support from Discord to effectively arrange for runs. So for long term... Both the frequency of these runs will be a concern, in addition to long-term rewards. It's very easy not to see an issue when it perhaps takes 2-3 runs to get the reward when the content is prime, but when you're looking long-term to content that will ultimately need to be supported by Discord to function, with perhaps runs that may occur 3-4 times weekly, that may or may not fill, and with loot that may require you to do tens of runs easily, which yes, is a problem when content is not well supported for long-form. In future when they add new iterations of Chaotic, it will get more tedious still. If they released a Chaotic raid per each tier, then by the end of the expansion leaning into 8.0 you will then not only have all 3 of these that are on life support, but also BA/DRN/DRS, and whatever subsequent large scale raid they introduce with Triangle. That is a lot of content reliant on an external platform to function.

Their logic of placing these rewards in this content was less about trying to make good design or anything as much as it was about them being petrified about the feedback they received V&C and then deciding to just throw the kitchen sink at it to hope they don't receive the same feedback. How long did it take for the first thread complaining about the level of competence due to many casual players flowing it that can barely dodge AoEs or barely handle normal Alliance Raid difficulty, let alone early-flood savage?

Like every other item in the game it gets cheaper with time
its already down to 10m

What else are you spending gil on, really?
if you don't raid you don't spend gil on potions or gear

What a bad response. The crafted gear is there just as much to facilitate catch-up, as to what it is for people doing progression raiding. Also, that you seem to think Gil is only really there for potions and gear shows a severe neglect for even the most basic of avenues in this game. If I wanted to I could comfortably spend 200M on mounts/minions and various other cosmetics.

[Reimmi]

It having a pricetag of 50m to 100m+ does not make that affordable for casual players.

Like every other item in the game it gets cheaper with time
its already down to 10m

What else are you spending gil on, really?
if you don't raid you don't spend gil on potions or gear

[Reimmi]

It's an hairstyle in a game that is already extremely limited customization wise lmao.

Are we going to gatekeep hairstyles too now as the new thing ?

What's next ? Savage only eyes skin ? Savage only skin colors ? Why not savage only lips while we're at it ?

If it was savage only you wouldn't be able to get it at all until it became trivial in 4-5 years
Farm some gil and/or wait for the price to continue to drop like always