Nerf Chaotic

[BigCheez]

sorry i meant new raiders. not actual sprouts. i will update that
also i see sprout icons in m2s all the time (i dont know how but i do i think its play time locked not MSQ)

A character has new adventurer status until they reach the current expansion and have 300 hours of play time. 99.99% of sprouts in endgame content are story skipped alts.

[Havenchild]

it was only confirmed to be savage at the very last minute in a passing remark by mr ozma. it was never advertised as such on the keynotes. and the majority of the community agrees its a far to heavy ask of the party finder. i don't understand why everything needs to be baby's first dungeon or "ill give you special cells" what we wanted was BA level content. what we've got is another delubrum reginae savage

Actually if you look at this post:

Interview with Yoshi-P, Claims Savage difficulty:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/final-fanta...hida-interview

Official PLL Digest - Claims Savage difficulty
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/512088

Unofficial Translation of PLL - Claims initial goal was Extreme, but it's tuned closer to Savage 1/2 when factoring in 24 people. Note: this is the only place that mentions Extreme. Not that I'm saying it wasn't said but even then there's acknowledgement that it was tuned higher.

https://x.com/Nova_Crystallis/status...83007271219440

It was mentioned 4 months ago to be Savage tier in an interview with Yoshi-P and as recent as Nov 11th PLL again to be Savage level. At least 1 month and 20 days before the content released in the most recent case. How is that last minute?

Locking it behind current Extreme will go against part of what they said they wanted to do, though. Ignoring how they fully intended this to be an Extreme level encounter.

Read above. This has already been debunked. The official digest on the forums states Savage level specifically. Even the post from 4months ago, states Savage level as well. The only time we hear about their intentions were "Extreme" was from the unofficial translation of the PLL, and even then it acknowledges that the content was confirmed to be savage level in the end.
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Would make sense if you read beyond the word "nerf," considering op listed their reasoning.

- please nerf some of the brutally punishing mechanics like no time to react on aeros/death or death debuff and also the absurd body checks

- its far to punishing for sprout raiders and damn near unclearable in pf. even farm parties cant do it.

This is their reasoning. They are arguing for a savage tier fight to not have body checks, be less punishing for sprout raiders and make it more easily clearable in PF by nerfing aspects of the fight.
How does that make sense to do such for Savage-tier content when the devs already confirmed it would be of such difficulty?

[Wawaya]

Locking it behind current Extreme will go against part of what they said they wanted to do, though. Ignoring how they fully intended this to be an Extreme level encounter.

It was the initial thought. But they back down and marketed it as a "First floor - Second floor savage raid". In this scenario, I think clearing extremes as a requirement should be reasonable, as we're not in the "extreme difficulty" territory anymore

[Saraide]

gona be real this fight is ridiculous. please nerf some of the brutally punishing mechanics like no time to react on aeros/death

if only there was a cast that told you which of those two was stored.

[Lilapop]

This is their reasoning. They are arguing for a savage tier fight to not have body checks, be less punishing for sprout raiders and make it more easily clearable in PF by nerfing aspects of the fight.
How does that make sense to do such for Savage-tier content when the devs already confirmed it would be of such difficulty?

They're asking for an easier Savage. What doesn't make sense about it? While I personally don't want an easier Savage fight 'less it be considered Extreme instead, I can understand it pretty easily.

[BigCheez]

It was the initial thought. But they back down and marketed it as a "First floor - Second floor savage raid". In this scenario, I think clearing extremes as a requirement should be reasonable, as we're not in the "extreme difficulty" territory anymore

Why? Extreme isn't a requirement for savage.

[Wawaya]

Why? Extreme isn't a requirement for savage.

It is not, but it already discourage players from attempting these fights as it is classified as "Savage", so they might think it is already too hard for them (Even if there are unexperimented players on the first floor. But First floor is already a wall for players that can't go any further).
I think the Chaotic raid was very underestimated by people because it is new, it is a 24-man content, and it was pretty unclear of the level difficulty aside from being said in interviews, so now a lot of people complains about newcomers who have never attempted any high end duties before, that's why I think locking this content behind extremes or something else would have prevented this case. But it is only my opinion, and it might be wrong!

[Havenchild]

They're asking for an easier Savage. What doesn't make sense about it? While I personally don't want an easier Savage fight 'less it be considered Extreme instead, I can understand it pretty easily.

So basically they don't want savage, they want a normal alliance raid. Well we have those already, what's the issue again?

[sindriiisgaming]

if only there was a cast that told you which of those two was stored.

not that it makes any difference half the time because the KB is stupidly precise and the death circle has snapshotting. i had more fun doing ILYA light rampant 1000 times

[Havenchild]

not that it makes any difference half the time because the KB is stupidly precise and the death circle has snapshotting. i had more fun doing ILYA light rampant 1000 times

Perhaps, this is just a skill issue on your end?

All of the abilities have cast bars with more than enough time to adjust, and the second Aero/Death specifically gets minimalized to 0 with using kb-immunity skills at 75% of the Blade of Darkness cast. It's a you problem.