Chaotic existing silenced all the complaints about PCT being op

[Myon88]

I have no horse in this race I just find it funny how none of those threads have moved in days.

Remember to thank your friendly red mage

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I have no horse in this race I just find it funny how none of those threads have moved in days.

Remember to thank your friendly red mage

Blessings to Red Mages. That said, there is a lot of reasons why it is like that.

1.) Chaotic or 24man favours debuff-based raid damage increases over partywide, which means NIN and SCH have some advantage here.

2.) NIN/SCH contribution relative to the entire raid is a lesser margin than PCT is in ultimate.

3.) Chaotic is not a downtime or dps check heavy fight, nor is any situational advantage here allowing you to reliably skip mechanics. The damage downs and general punishment for failing mechanics is much less than in Ultimate, though bodychecks still exist.

4.) The discussion about PCT more or less has gone through all points multiple times and the only reason discussions were even continued this long was to minor misunderstandings what ideal game balance should be without dumpstering any job. That or coping that PCT is fine as is and shouldnt be touched and everything else should be buffed (i.e. supporting power creep).

5.) Discussing balance for 24man when 24man isnt our main format (just like how 4man isn't) makes no sense. If 24man was our main format, then of course things like Mug/Dokumori and Chain Stratagem would see balance adjustments.

6.) Christmas holidays just happened and others probably just busy doing Chaotic.

Sorry for the lengthy post.

[Altera]

And possibly people just feel unheard and possibly just silently quitting the game. The Balance Discord I'm in where I can see both PCT and BLM sections, the discussions are nonstop. PCT demands no nerfs or job changes, all other DPS wants PCT nerfed etc.

I'm also about to give up on having faith Devs will fix the imbalance. I've said my opinions on PCT many times. My main change for PCT for reducing its Ultimate advantage, is for PCT motifs to do less damage when drawing when not targeting an enemy. Kinda like PCT draws an image from member, but leaves out details, hence less potent. That would fix their insane downtime benefit

[JuicyHeals]

I think it's more a point of apathy with the game in general.

[brinn12]

I think people just got tired of complaining, when the development team is clearly waiting for the next major patch to say a word about it.

[IOwn92FCHouses]

And possibly people just feel unheard and possibly just silently quitting the game. The Balance Discord I'm in where I can see both PCT and BLM sections, the discussions are nonstop. PCT demands no nerfs or job changes, all other DPS wants PCT nerfed etc.

I'm also about to give up on having faith Devs will fix the imbalance. I've said my opinions on PCT many times. My main change for PCT for reducing its Ultimate advantage, is for PCT motifs to do less damage when drawing when not targeting an enemy. Kinda like PCT draws an image from member, but leaves out details, hence less potent. That would fix their insane downtime benefit

People quitting the game over Picto's strength is a net positive toward the player skill and quality average of the game tbh. I say let them go.

Also the balance is a meme and filled with more shitters then even reddit. Their convo is meme worthy. Kinda like going to the zoo. You would be best off ignoring them.

[Eraden]

And possibly people just feel unheard and possibly just silently quitting the game. The Balance Discord I'm in where I can see both PCT and BLM sections, the discussions are nonstop. PCT demands no nerfs or job changes, all other DPS wants PCT nerfed etc.

I'm also about to give up on having faith Devs will fix the imbalance. I've said my opinions on PCT many times. My main change for PCT for reducing its Ultimate advantage, is for PCT motifs to do less damage when drawing when not targeting an enemy. Kinda like PCT draws an image from member, but leaves out details, hence less potent. That would fix their insane downtime benefit

Mao quit game partly abouts this buts mostly abouts DDR-style boss fights. Such fights rips spirit of adventures from fights because is less abouts being quicks thinking and able to react to unexpected things happenings and more abouts....memorizings dance steps.

[Supersnow845]

And possibly people just feel unheard and possibly just silently quitting the game. The Balance Discord I'm in where I can see both PCT and BLM sections, the discussions are nonstop. PCT demands no nerfs or job changes, all other DPS wants PCT nerfed etc.

I'm also about to give up on having faith Devs will fix the imbalance. I've said my opinions on PCT many times. My main change for PCT for reducing its Ultimate advantage, is for PCT motifs to do less damage when drawing when not targeting an enemy. Kinda like PCT draws an image from member, but leaves out details, hence less potent. That would fix their insane downtime benefit

The thing is that solution functionally changes nothing as the DPS advantage PCT gets in downtime is caused by getting more filler in uptime because motifs are changed to being painted in downtime

If the paintings remain gains to use then you functionally haven’t nerfed PCT, if it becomes a loss to use them in downtime over the aetherhue you would use in the following uptime if you didn’t use your motifs then you would just not paint them in downtime

Either way it doesn’t help the situation

[Carighan]

I'm honestly just tired.

Picto is just as OP in Chaotic as elsewhere, the fight is just perfectly made so it doesn't appear as overpowered as it actually is and it's no use having overpowered DPS as that's really not what wins or loses that fight.

And honestly I'm just tired. SQEX clearly doesn't give anything about job balance or they would have nerfed Picto months and months ago, and worse they also don't seem to get much of how balance in MMOs works in general, or they would not have tried to buff everybody else in response. It's okay, game is still fun, even if Picto is clearly the best damage dealer in the game. I mean somebody has got to be it, right? Might as well intentionally design one I suppose.

[Supersnow845]

I'm honestly just tired.

Picto is just as OP in Chaotic as elsewhere, the fight is just perfectly made so it doesn't appear as overpowered as it actually is and it's no use having overpowered DPS as that's really not what wins or loses that fight.

And honestly I'm just tired. SQEX clearly doesn't give anything about job balance or they would have nerfed Picto months and months ago, and worse they also don't seem to get much of how balance in MMOs works in general, or they would not have tried to buff everybody else in response. It's okay, game is still fun, even if Picto is clearly the best damage dealer in the game. I mean somebody has got to be it, right? Might as well intentionally design one I suppose.

So it’s somehow both just as OP as in other locations (despite literally being last amongst the 8 high damage dealers) but the fight is actually what hides that bit it’s also pointless to have high damage dealers so it doesn’t matter but it should still be nerfed anyway

Like honesty what? Like how did you make about 4 conflicting points in one sentence